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Resent-From: Simon Streit Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2024 22:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 73296 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Antero Mejr , paren@disroot.org, 73296@debbugs.gnu.org, tanguy@bioneland.org, andrew@trop.in Received: via spool by 73296-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B73296.172782017119640 (code B ref 73296); Tue, 01 Oct 2024 22:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 73296) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2024 22:02:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1svkxH-00056i-8y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2024 18:02:51 -0400 Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de ([80.67.31.35]:23181) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1svkxG-00056c-0h for 73296@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2024 18:02:50 -0400 Received: from [62.144.236.38] (helo=milk) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.98) (envelope-from ) id 1svkxA-000000005B4-0uo4; Wed, 02 Oct 2024 00:02:44 +0200 From: Simon Streit In-Reply-To: <87v7yc525y.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:15:05 +0200") References: <87zfo7r828.fsf@antr.me> <87setzr7ea.fsf_-_@antr.me> <87v7yc525y.fsf@gnu.org> Gcc: nnfolder+archive:sent.2024-10 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2024 00:02:41 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Df-Sender: c2ltb25AbmV0cGFuaWMub3Jn X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.90 X-Spam-Score: -4.90 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 41D8D6996 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-TUID: iK1GWZhz/dAh Hello! Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Antero Mejr skribis: > >> * gnu/home/services/desktop.scm (home-dbus-service-type)[extensions]: >> Extend home-profile-service-type to add dbus-launch and other such >> utilities to the home profile. >> >> Change-Id: I9a3dc00d52b66c327f4eae523bddf758bddddb9e > > I must say I don=E2=80=99t fully understand the use case of > =E2=80=98home-dbus-service-type=E2=80=99 since usually the user=E2=80=99s= dbus session is > started automatically, on demand (for example, spawning pulseaudio will > automatically start a dbus session if it=E2=80=99s not already running). > > Often I find that for such services we don=E2=80=99t necessarily want to > =E2=80=9Cclutter=E2=80=9D the user=E2=80=99s profile with low-level tools= such as =E2=80=98dbus-launch=E2=80=99 > in this case. But I=E2=80=99m not sure here. > > Could you explain? What=E2=80=99s the point of =E2=80=98home-dbus-servic= e-type=E2=80=99? :-) This is an interesting question that you are asking. For me, and the first two years with Guix, I never had a proper running dbus session when running, first with i3, and then with sway from there on. It would work with GNOME. But I'd never hang around there for long and I learned to live without dbus that would produce strange effects in strange situations. It only happened after I migrated to Guix Home and enabling home-dbus-service-type that I finally had a fully functioning environment with dbus. It solved so many problems since and I never fully understood why I was missing dbus in the first place. It either never either launched properly -- which I doubt, since applications like pulseaudio where running --, or I had never sourced some variables properly. To answer your question: This service is quite the requirement to have a desktop environment that is not based on the bigger variants that usually provide it. Kind regards --=20 Simon