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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z2-20020a50eb42000000b0051bf17d7710sm4373845edp.57.2023.06.27.21.30.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 27 Jun 2023 21:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Liliana Marie Prikler Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 06:30:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mt0k1j7l.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87leg7xner.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg4m1e9z.fsf@gmail.com> <0b7fa4b3ac2f957d633348ac6866027e3f98ec4a.camel@gmail.com> <87mt0k1j7l.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1687926683; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=C1uGR6DlkWSIqb+INTYA0R7fhQ22HhuajAi84LeNTVM=; b=oz7pSfvqXbHs2KgmMCX0+hufkN3/v/Mtlftigf2JYtA/5f+HarnFttKa1knUo8qaDmx7s2 frmNLqCxEcAFj5ELv9uraZp+EfL4D8luExSZYCWeqouGwYX0twUhS9QG+Vqakm1O7E7JS2 qFq7DRuh03gD3buFf6mvjy6OrhsuRE2iuX4IhWodNV39k1mSsJz2mMVzu2+1mCAQcJwihj zQQMu0BiGN8hmJHXABgUJhsESLzRzifdLpJOa3ChI+B9HTD0HTTqN1qjUaZxgvqzC74TFr iEN+a7U2V/aPP+MM/+NoKlXRrRxkKM1v4P5bSyQJnMqed00aKYMFSdCLMoI78g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20221208 header.b=TQTUCkkU; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1687926683; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FM7ii2T6NPOove83WfHhQe1b3KAVHQYwI1bL6lQxn/MGk75X5peea+Mzl8yq9iV9WJMRFY hstRVOy396RxHv5dXdJQv0EDYlMW3Btub97zKSyvKyzCWYPwPEr2uf2lhvntDi+UDZ9H2F Y4YTcrMWX8O03c2ZHY5kxbM9LrwwM18aP+zatd02wcg6ZThrj9EW7mB7W9QLymuKeoRYnH 1aBbWZbEELYj4YeWwzCAEmxjoRt9QSBhpvrDsuVAbHVsn/+WA1CRfPlEfTAiTnL00NsxEz HDuQpIhvVy3EiThU11p8MO1OFO4xafHp4B50ly3oMRvUoR4fkJw++ctfrUUnOg== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.85 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20221208 header.b=TQTUCkkU; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 31B1F3F341 X-Spam-Score: 0.85 X-TUID: 2LRJRhTboMFn Am Dienstag, dem 27.06.2023 um 21:14 -0400 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer: > Hi Liliana, >=20 > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > > Funny that you'd mention that because for me, debbugs notifications > > are pretty hit or miss.=C2=A0 A lot of them end up filtered by our > > benevolent overlords without me having ever read them. >=20 > Maybe you are mistaken about what X-Debbugs-CC does; it doesn't cause > someone to be subscribed to a specific issue; it's only a CC > alternative that is a bit nicer in that it will reply with the issue > number in the reply path, which is mostly useful for new issues that > haven't gotten a Debbugs number yet.=C2=A0 So I don't think we should > think of it as a "notification" mechanism, simply a smarter CC for > Debbugs. I am not. Debbugs-CC'd mail simply ends up in the spam folder because Google sees that > >=20 > > I'd argue that it is wrong to magically install this configuration > > without any user interaction.=C2=A0 The current setup also causes quite > > a number of false positives, like a package rename also causing > > changes in some other scope and hence notifying like five different > > teams all at once. >=20 > I personally prefer the zero-config approach that maximizes the > potential of etc/teams.scm and reduces the documentation burden, but > of course I'm biased :-).=C2=A0 I find the contribution process of Guix > already complicated enough to not want to add more to it, and welcome > automation. There's nothing wrong with automation per se, but you are confusing automating your own process knowingly with automating someone else's process without their knowledge or permission. I'd also argue that your approach doesn't maximize etc/teams.scm, but rather makes it exhibit the weirdest behaviours imaginable by applying it blindly. Cheers