From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>
To: 74290@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#74290] [PATCH v3 14/51] gnu: git-minimal: Support [cross-]build with gcc-14 and the 64bit Hurd.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 07:54:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8449d76042afc541ab5af2c26bb0cd2a96e8a8b.1731999203.git.janneke@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1731999202.git.janneke@gnu.org>
* gnu/packages/version-control.scm (git-minimal)[arguments]: When building for
the 64bit Hurd, or cross-compiling, use "-Wno-implicit-function-declaration"
in #:make-flags. Use target-hurd? instead of comparing with "i586-pc-gnu" in
"use-host-uname_S" phase.
Change-Id: Ib9836be8a1e389a82c8a89adf22aaeac0d85bd14
---
gnu/packages/version-control.scm | 7 +++++--
1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/version-control.scm b/gnu/packages/version-control.scm
index c892a83a98..ca77b485ad 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/version-control.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/version-control.scm
@@ -296,7 +296,10 @@ (define-public git-minimal
;; By default 'make install' creates hard links for
;; things in 'libexec/git-core', which leads to huge
;; nars; see <https://bugs.gnu.org/21949>.
- "NO_INSTALL_HARDLINKS=indeed")
+ "NO_INSTALL_HARDLINKS=indeed"
+ #$@(if (or (target-hurd64?) (%current-target-system))
+ #~("-Wno-implicit-function-declaration")
+ #~()))
#:phases
#~(modify-phases %standard-phases
#$@(if (%current-target-system)
@@ -305,7 +308,7 @@ (define-public git-minimal
(lambda _
(substitute* "config.mak.uname"
(("uname_S := .*" all)
- (if (equal? #$(%current-target-system) "i586-pc-gnu")
+ (if #$(target-hurd?)
"uname_S := GNU\n"
all))))))
;; We do not have a full bash when cross-compiling.
--
2.46.0
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2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 04/31] gnu: gcc: Add indirections current-gcc, current-gcc-toolchain Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 09/31] gnu: grep: Fix build for the " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 10/31] gnu: patch: " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 11/31] gnu: libxcrypt: Support " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 12/31] gnu: libstdc++: " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 13/31] gnu: gcc-13, gcc-14: Support being used as parent for gcc-static Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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2024-11-11 18:05 ` janneke
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2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 16/31] gnu: Add libgpg-error-1.50 Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 21/31] gnu: libpciaccess: " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 25/31] gnu: rumpkernel: Support the 64bit Hurd Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 26/31] gnu: hurd: Build fixes for " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 27/31] gnu: git-minimal: Support " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 28/31] gnu: inetutils: Fix build for " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 29/31] gnu: grub: " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 30/31] gnu: guile-fibers: " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 10:38 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 31/31] system: hurd: Use 64bit gnumach " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-10 14:40 ` janneke
2024-11-10 14:15 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH 00/31] Add support for x86_64-gnu, aka " janneke
2024-11-12 1:17 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2024-11-12 16:25 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH v2 00/40] " Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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2024-11-19 6:54 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH v3 27/51] system: image: Add hurd64 image types Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-11-19 6:54 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH v3 28/51] gnu: libgpg-error: Support the 64bit Hurd Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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2024-11-19 6:55 ` [bug#74290] [PATCH v3 50/51] system: examples: Add devel-hurd64.tmpl Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
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