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Resent-From: Steve George Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2024 16:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 69119 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: 69091@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Enge , 69119@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 69119-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B69119.170948448712229 (code B ref 69119); Sun, 03 Mar 2024 16:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 69119) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2024 16:48:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rgp0R-0003B4-1E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 11:48:07 -0500 Received: from mailtransmit05.runbox.com ([185.226.149.38]:38966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rgp0O-000399-AM; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 11:48:05 -0500 Received: from mailtransmit03.runbox ([10.9.9.163] helo=aibo.runbox.com) by mailtransmit05.runbox.com with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1rgoxh-002eBy-OF; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 17:45:17 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=futurile.net; s=selector1; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=guwaELYs1cKdMZxvXuhZqdI/Dwrqc++6REjUiNcCZ+M=; b=AQGsBxhquQVSGPv7svV9i7ydLN t4g9FGXwZshWfVLkFlmXYpd+zgATOtfb+ucFaQPvR7ibAsOUPDWQ4thUwS/ZgWa6yMFoAl8xVfYb3 1h1u/6ff0UQ5lSmeWA1GowWsq+ZB3prNqzDNxPm1W9yeLeiZIJvpUPEp6MES5YQSdpbrcEhGZkr/M r31XbNI06r6vxV7C4T+L2YnwmCt+GMgceEsiO+hY0HegGocCNaHHR7tPAXKznNTaHaZE6b+Uak+UZ 9Bj2lCT0w6mpPJwKK5jF71CxnX2cgeOIYs830S9B9cxbQLINCWKFFOieUJDF0hvZMEAT1ayGhmcDe j681/W4Q==; Received: from [10.9.9.73] (helo=submission02.runbox) by mailtransmit03.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rgoxh-0000ed-5F; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 17:45:17 +0100 Received: by submission02.runbox with esmtpsa [Authenticated ID (641962)] (TLS1.2:ECDHE_SECP256R1__RSA_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256) (Exim 4.93) id 1rgoxb-00GhwH-JA; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 17:45:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 16:45:10 +0000 From: Steve George Message-ID: References: <87cyscd2w4.fsf_-_@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87cyscd2w4.fsf_-_@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.77 X-Spam-Score: -1.77 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B491E34F7A X-TUID: E1aLj+d8sqM9 Hi Ludo, I got blocked as this patch caused me to look at whether we should be compiling to byte-code by default. I have not been able to achieve consensus so far (and have taken some time off from the thread): https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2024-02/msg00241.html Having been unable to convince others I also asked the Clojure community: https://clojureverse.org/t/should-linux-distributions-ship-clojure-byte-compiled-aot-or-not/10595 Their perspective is that: a. We should not byte-code compile libraries (what Clojure calls AOT), but we could do so for tools/apps. b. We should not package libraries at all >From both interactions I'm unsure if packaging this (or any other Clojure libs/tools) is the right move. Steve On 2 Mar, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Did you have a chance to look into Andreas’ comments about this patch? > > https://issues.guix.gnu.org/69119 > > Ludo’. > > Andreas Enge skribis: > > > Hello, > > > > according to our naming convention > > https://guix.gnu.org/de/manual/devel/en/html_node/Package-Naming.html > > https://guix.gnu.org/de/manual/devel/en/html_node/Python-Modules.html > > I think the package should be called clojure-java-time (well, this is not > > spelt out precisely, but we could argue by analogy, and by consistency with > > the existing clojure packages). > > > > I know nothing about clojure, but am wondering about two things: > > - There is one other package with #:aot-exclude '(#:all), which gives > > an explanation why the line is there; could you add one here as well? > > - Would it make sense to package math.combinatorics first to enable the > > tests? If we do not test now, I am afraid we will forget it later... > > > > Andreas