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[...] > I'll try to find the context for my reversion in my own logs, but it surely > broke something. There may be no way to support all users. Thanks for chiming in Tobias. I thought these options sounded familiar and hoped it wasn't a rehash of this old issue. I do seem to remember that we had, basically, traded one form of breakage for another. > Aside: why do we keep adding DEFAULT-EXTRA-LINUX-OPTIONS instead of > modifying the configuration files themselves? Maybe this is a separate > discussion. I think that modifying the config files is better because, while doing so, the combination of options is properly set by the kernel configuration machinery and, at the end of the process, we have a config that can be inspected to check for a sensible outcome. On the other hand, if we use the Scheme machinery, the final config file is only created while building the kernel packages and we are less likely to inspect it. Of course it's still possible to inspect regardless of which method is used. I'd suggest only using the Scheme interface to correct FSDG issues and serious problems like that. But, in a related aside where I zoom further out, we need more people involved with the kernel packaging in order to get a really optimal result. So I'm not too picky about details like this.