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In German we have > the word DAU for =E2=80=9Cdumbest assumable user=E2=80=9D. Guix without = shell is > DAU-prove. I don't think your fear should outweigh the immense user friendliness of having some established conventions to ease development. Every mainstream developer tool I use in the professional word has conventions like this, and the result is that it is quick and easy to jump into a new project and get the software you need to be productive. Guix needs to embrace this kind of usability if it hopes to offer a real alternative to these other tools. 'guix shell' with no other arguments should "just work" in the context of whatever project I am in. - Dave