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Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@debian.org> writes:

> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> On 2024-08-17, Ian Eure wrote:
>> diff --git a/gnu/packages/nss.scm b/gnu/packages/nss.scm
>> index 9224a8ed5a..1a684e6146 100644
>> --- a/gnu/packages/nss.scm
>> +++ b/gnu/packages/nss.scm
> ...
>> +;; nss should track ESRs, but currently doesn't.  3.102.1 is=20
>> the current ESR.
>> +
>>  (define-public nss
>>    (package
>>      (name "nss")
>
> Though I largely agree with the logic (e.g. nss *should*=20
> probably be
> packaging ESR versions in general)... it seems a little weird to=20
> include
> a comment about what the packaging for nss *should* do, even=20
> though it
> is not (yet) doing it... similar with embedding a specific=20
> "current"
> version, which will obviously become inaccurate before too=20
> long...
>
> Alternately, maybe moving the comment to where the nss version=20
> is
> actually defined; to give someone pause when considering=20
> updating the
> version?
>
> Or maybe this belongs in a separate discussion on guix-devel=20
> and/or bug?
>

I started a discussion about nss earlier this year[1], and some of=20
the changes in this patch set are a result of that.  The long and=20
short of it is that nss should track ESRs only, and it could do=20
that now, but the process to update it is murky to me due to it=20
causing a lot of rebuilds.  I asked for some advice on that a=20
couple days ago[2].  The comment is left in the hopes that a=20
well-meaning contributor doesn=E2=80=99t update it to a non-ESR version=20
before the ESR updates can be worked out, which would set the=20
timeline for that change back by a year.

If you have guidance on how to update a package low in the graph,=20
I=E2=80=99d appreciate hearing!


>
>> +;; nss-rapid tracks the rapid release channel.  Unless your=20
>> package requires a
>> +;; newer version, you should prefer the `nss' package, which=20
>> tracks the ESR
>> +;; channel.
>> +;;
>> +;; See https://wiki.mozilla.org/NSS:Release_Versions
>> +;; and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Rapid_Release_Model
>> +
>> +(define-public nss-rapid
>
> Mixed feelings on rapid vs. latest ... latest is a bit more=20
> consistent
> with other guix packages, though "rapid" is the terminology that
> upstream uses here.
>

Yes, agreed that the terminology situation isn=E2=80=99t ideal.  I don=E2=
=80=99t=20
have a strong preference, but neither is there concensus around=20
"latest."  In the absence of strong concensus, and to avoid=20
bikeshedding, I opted for reusing upstream terminology, but=20
clarifying that in the package description and synopsis.  I=20
frankly do not care which is adopted, and it can be updated any=20
time, since this is high in the package graph.  I do think that if=20
the package is named "nss-rapid", the synopsis/description should=20
indicate that this is upstreams Rapid Release channel.  It=20
currently does, but would need some trivial editing should the=20
package name change.


> Both those points are, in my opinion, quite minor; I would not=20
> want to
> block on those points alone!
>

I agree, and I appreciate your pragmatic approach here.

Thanks,

  =E2=80=94 Ian


[1]:=20
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2024-06/msg00318.html
[2]:=20
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2024-08/msg00074.html