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Resent-From: Nicolas Goaziou Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2024 22:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 74137 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Rostislav Svoboda Cc: Katherine Cox-Buday , Liliana Marie Prikler , 74137@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrew Tropin Received: via spool by 74137-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B74137.17304997212565 (code B ref 74137); Fri, 01 Nov 2024 22:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 74137) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2024 22:22:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52350 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t701p-0000fG-DX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2024 18:22:01 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:47094 helo=mailo.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t701n-0000f7-Ej for 74137@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2024 18:22:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nicolasgoaziou.fr; s=mailo; t=1730499711; bh=eOu2HwKDhFIOoR+RLq0Kpw2eE7FFJTcD3Yef7/TG+Pw=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CaH7gFSKRe1lmM6caj7IW++KrrBz7+CUpivC/qrJ5IiGGifI0CidAdVBWkoehajQA s66l7u7YR/chrWCedEySZVSplnAyGdxfQeFTdncY3RMarpUmsVsbTkW7GVsPDpME+g Ohlfs0Xl87Ql2R2LMB3ZNUTCIKUxHZSEXIV7+N/Q= Received: by b221-4.in.mailobj.net [192.168.90.24] with ESMTP via ip-20.mailobj.net [213.182.54.20] Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:21:51 +0100 (CET) X-EA-Auth: 8SyHQxrrxLMt52ud3RqP3DilcQBNwdJDwGM8pyHsAlNvgZyUL3dkVLDT9hFG+R8g27FD9j9KhlPUtSH38Zg5dDgcEccGGfwwrjYTUeT/6eU= In-Reply-To: (Rostislav Svoboda's message of "Fri, 1 Nov 2024 21:23:30 +0100") References: <23748ec5d9ce9396cfab96cadc3f33134c9eb470.1730383172.git.Rostislav.Svoboda@gmail.com> <87jzdnkou6.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87ed3vkndu.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <878qu3kkhi.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2024 23:21:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87zfmik32p.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Nicolas Goaziou X-ACL-Warn: , Nicolas Goaziou via Guix-patches From: Nicolas Goaziou via Guix-patches via Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 1.55 X-Spam-Score: 1.55 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3B87740C2E X-TUID: JTkkQuw1tJW9 Hello, Rostislav Svoboda writes: >> We use revision and commits to distinguish versions from plain ones, to >> say : "be careful, we didn't package the exact 1.0 release". > > This is information no one can reliably depend on, as there's no > mechanism to guarantee what you're suggesting. > >> I'm advocating for removing that information from the version field only. >> We're already doing this for projects that do not tag releases. See, e.g., >> `emacs-inspector'. > > If you want to be *sure* that emacs-inspector includes no > (modify-phases ...), you'll need to check its definition anyway. > There's no point in hiding the commit hash. > > On the contrary, the commit hash is quite useful. It immediately and > reliably indicates which commit was used to build a package. > > This information is particularly helpful when performing a git bisect, > manually inspecting the /gnu/store, and similar tasks. AFAICT, this is not what is done in Guix. Usually versions follow upstream tags, and revisions+commits are the exception, not the rule. You seem to have a divergent opinion on the subject. That's fair, but I think we're at a dead end now. Since I don't want to block nor delay this patch, I'll let others proceed with the review. Regards,