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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Spam-Score: -5.24 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 35392412BF X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.24 X-TUID: l5uvAIMXR1tY Hi, Simon Tournier skribis: > To make it explicit: is this series worth the Guile-GnuTLS/Git > circular dependency corner case? Maybe it is already all clear for > you, and your answer is a big YES. :-) And perhaps it is the only > answer. :-) But it does not mean the answer is fully clear for > everybody, at least it is not necessary straightforward for me. > Somehow, do we have a consensus about the way that this series is > worth the Guile-GnuTLS/Git circular dependency corner case? And a > consensus about the way that this series is The Right Thing for that > circular dependency? One thing I probably didn=E2=80=99t explain clearly is that yes, the circul= ar dependency issue is one we have to solve. For years, I hope we could avoid it but experience has shown that no, it=E2=80=99s a problem we did ha= ve to address. One example is Guile-GnuTLS being built from a Git checkout. Another one is Hurd packages in commencement.scm built from a Git checkout. We had to go to great lengths to avoid =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/64708#6 More and more software is built from Git checkouts rather than tarballs. In the long run, we won=E2=80=99t be able to guarantee that none of the dependencies of =E2=80=98git-minimal=E2=80=99 takes its source via =E2=80= =98git-fetch=E2=80=99. This is especially true if we want to move away from Autotools-generated tarballs and instead run =E2=80=98autoreconf=E2=80=99 ourselves on pristine= source. Ludo=E2=80=99.