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[72.10.128.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j24-20020ac84f98000000b00419c40a0d70sm306312qtw.54.2023.10.12.21.02.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 12 Oct 2023 21:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer In-Reply-To: <86fs2fzjan.fsf@gmail.com> (Simon Tournier's message of "Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:18:24 +0200") References: <5760a46dfc1b97312d1d5512ebf1bd21da6707f5.1696903067.git.maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> <87h6mwrhl6.fsf@gnu.org> <86mswnzm4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86fs2fzjan.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2023 00:02:25 -0400 Message-ID: <87wmvr5fvy.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 5.47 X-Spam-Score: 5.47 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E07304F35B X-TUID: W2Bb1T3tA9kW Hi Simon and Ludovic, Simon Tournier writes: > Hi, > > Re-reading the complete section (and other sections around), I am > proposing a tiny variation of the wording I sent earlier. > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 at 21:17, Simon Tournier w= rote: > >>>> +@url{https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/consensus}. The project uses = the >>>> +@samp{Requiring people who block to help find solutions} block varian= t, >>>> +which means a participant wishing to block a proposal bears a >>>> +special responsibility for finding alternatives and proposing ideas/c= ode >>>> +to resolve the deadlock. > > Instead of Maxim=E2=80=99s wording above, I am proposing: > > It is expected from all contributors, and even more so from committers, > to help build consensus and make decisions based on consensus. By using > consensus, we are committed to finding solutions that everyone can live > with. It implies that no decision is made against significant concerns > and these concerns are actively resolved with proposals that work for > everyone. A contributor, without or with commit access, wishing to > block a proposal bears a special responsibility for finding > alternatives, proposing ideas/code or detailing the status quo to > resolve the deadlock. To learn what consensus decision making means and > understand its finer details, you are encouraged to read > . I like it, but I admit I wasn't sure what "detailing the status quo" meant until I read your examples below. Perhaps it could be reworded to "explain the rationale for the status quo" ? Thanks, Maxim=20