From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id cOlxEbzF0F4VCwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:20:12 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id WENSDbzF0F5fSAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:20:12 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C632A9404CA for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40330 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaFL-0001IR-Rg for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:20:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaFG-0001I6-2A for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:20:02 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42179) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaFF-0003To-Oi for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:20:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaFF-0001Z7-Ja for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:20:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#41350] [PATCH v2 3/3] system: vm: Build vm-image using native qemu, for the Hurd. Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41350 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Mathieu Othacehe Cc: 41350@debbugs.gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Received: via spool by 41350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41350.15907403595964 (code B ref 41350); Fri, 29 May 2020 08:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 41350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 May 2020 08:19:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53725 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaEJ-0001Xs-Tc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:19:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51002) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaEI-0001XQ-4N for 41350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:19:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaEB-0002DX-Ie; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:18:55 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=41850 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jeaEA-0000El-10; Fri, 29 May 2020 04:18:55 -0400 From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= References: <20200519072302.9202-1-janneke@gnu.org> <20200519072302.9202-3-janneke@gnu.org> <87367ue09v.fsf@gnu.org> <87pnavu611.fsf@gnu.org> <87zh9tf0qa.fsf@gnu.org> <87d06o36sc.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8q8gs3w.fsf@gnu.org> <878shccblp.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8q8yohx.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 11 Prairial an 228 de la =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:18:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87o8q8yohx.fsf@gnu.org> (Mathieu Othacehe's message of "Thu, 28 May 2020 19:10:18 +0200") Message-ID: <87o8q75f2r.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.49 X-TUID: xOI70SPDajwg Hi, Mathieu Othacehe skribis: >> But maybe we can just rebase =E2=80=98system-qemu-image=E2=80=99 & co. o= n top of (gnu >> image)? What prevents us from doing that, Mathieu? >> >> If we can do that, then indeed, there=E2=80=99s no point in insisting on= fixing >> cross-compilation support in (gnu system vm). > > I think we could proceed that way: > > * Merge Ludo's serie on master. I think that can wait because on IRC Janneke explained that it doesn=E2=80= =99t fix anything for GNU/Hurd (to my surprise). So I=E2=80=99ll maybe check ag= ain once the relevant Hurd bits are on master, instead of checking ARM cross-compilation. Anyway it=E2=80=99s much less important now that (gnu image) can be used fo= r the task! > * Then we could review & merge Jan's wip-hurd-disk. Do I get it right that we first need ? The =E2=80=98wip-hurd-vm=E2=80=99 branch contains many things: 1. (gnu system hurd) with the Hurd services etc. 2. The =E2=80=98hurd=E2=80=99 field of . 3. with multiboot support. 4. Hacks to work around vm.scm defects: uses of =E2=80=98with-parameters= =E2=80=99, =E2=80=98hurd-target?=E2=80=99, disabling sqlite3, and #~#$ tricks. I think part of the reason this cycle has been so long is that it=E2=80=99s= been kind of a big bang; big bangs are great because they lead to something new and exciting, but they=E2=80=99re also intimidating. :-) For me person= ally, looking at all these aspects at once was just too much. For merging, I think it=E2=80=99d be great to see #1 and #2 as a first step= , and then #3. I do not want any of #4 :-), because I really think it could lead to maintenance headaches down the road, which would make the kind of changes we=E2=80=99re making today practically impossible in the future. Thoughts? Ludo=E2=80=99.