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RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:server fail]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:2001:470:142::/48, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ludo@gnu.org,guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[wioo.waw.pl:email,gnu.org:email]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gnu.org]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[10]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: CZjLE1ZHoPZK Hi Marcin, Marcin Karpezo skribis: > 2 maj 2020 00:06:16 Ludovic Court=C3=A8s : > >> Hi Marcin, >> Marcin Karpezo skribis: >> >> >> > With big rekado help I'm sending you a patch with at least >> > partially fixes the issue of crontab -e reporting missing >> > /var/cron/tabs directory. >> > >> Unless I=E2=80=99m mistaken, creating /var/cron/tabs will silence =E2=80= =9Ccrontab >> -e=E2=80=9D, but those entries will still be ignored because mcron=E2=80= =99s crond >> is not running (IIRC the cron functionality of mcron is separate and >> requires you to run crond, which we don=E2=80=99t do.) >> One option would be to write a different service altogether running >> that daemon and creates /var/cron/tabs like you did. >> Another option would be to remote the =E2=80=98crontab=E2=80=99 program = from our >> =E2=80=98mcron=E2=80=99 package to at least avoid disappointments. >> Thoughts? > > Why won't start supporting and running mcron's crond daemon? That way > guix will finally have normal fully functional cron which will ease > administration not only on personal machines but also on server > side. It's nice to have everything defined in one config file but it > isn't as handy for multiuser setup. Yeah I agree. (I personally run a user shepherd, itself starting a user mcron, but I admit that=E2=80=99s a config not everyone may be willing to replicate.) > I think instead of avoiding disappointment it would be better to > positively surprise the users. I know that guix thrives in what sets > it apart from other distros, but it's better to keep things standard > whenever its possible and follow the rule of least > surprise. Especially if it won't be damaging for the goals of the > project. Agreed! That brings us to my first proposal above: writing a crond service that runs mcron=E2=80=99s crond. Would you like to give it a try? (There=E2=80=99s also scron available. I think someone had proposed a serv= ice for it, but I can=E2=80=99t find it.) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.