[bug#51307] [PATCH 0/2] guix hash: eases conversion

["Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>]

Hi!

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> skribis:

> On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 16:53, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> skribis:
>>
>>>  2. Using the option recursive changes the result for tarball, as with:
>>>
>>>       $ guix hash $(guix build hello -S)
>>>       0ssi1wpaf7plaswqqjwigppsg5fyh99vdlb9kzl7c9lng89ndq1i
>>>
>>>       $ guix hash $(guix build hello -S) --recursive
>>>       1qx3qqk86vgdvpqkhpgzq3gfcxmys29wzfizjb9asn4crbn503x9
>>>
>>>     And I am not able to imagine a case.  To me, it should be a fixed-point.
>>>     That’s what the first patch correct.
>>
>> That’s expected: ‘--recursive’ uses a different computation method,
>> including file metadata (technically, it serializes the file as a nar
>> and computes the hash of the nar).
>
> Yes, but that’s odd.  It should be the same computation method for
> tarballs.  Nothing is recursive for a tarball therefore, the option
> should be skipped.  This proposal is perhaps not the best approach
> although I lacked of imagination about corner cases.

The way I see it, ‘guix hash’ is a low-level tool and it should do what
I ask for and not try to second-guess.

>>> Then, working on Disarchive which uses base16 as encoding, it is annoying
>>> twice,
>>>
>>>   a) because it requires to download when all the sources
>>>   b) because it sometimes requires to apply patches
>>>
>>> Compare,
>>>
>>>   $ guix hash $(guix build ceph -S)
>>>   0ppd362s177cc47g75v0k27j7aaf27qc31cbbh0j2g30wmhl8gj7
>>>
>>> with the checksum in the package definition:
>>> 0lmdri415hqczc9565s5m5568pnj97ipqxgnw6085kps0flwq5zh.
>>>
>>> With the second patch, it becomes easy to convert the checksum from upstream:
>>>
>>>   $ ./pre-inst-env guix hash ceph -f base16
>>>   f017cca903face8280e1f6757ce349d25e644aa945175312fb0cc31248ccad52
>>>
>>> and nothing is downloaded.  Get the checksum of what Guix really builds is
>>> done via the current way, for instance,
>>>
>>>    $ guix hash $(guix build ceph -S) -f base16
>>>    473e4461e5603c21015c8b85c1f0114ea9238f986097f30e61ec9ca08519ed5e
>>>
>>> and the second patch allows to convert the checksum from the package
>>> definition (without downloading).
>>
>> Ah yes, got it.  (I should read messages in the right order, oops!)
>>
>> An obvious problem with the interface you propose is that it’s
>> ambiguous: are you printing the hash of the ‘ceph’ package, or computing
>> that of the ‘ceph’ file?  I’m sure the Zen of Python has something on
>> ambiguity.  ;-)
>
> The patch is printing the hash of upstream and it is the only hash which
> matters – speaking both about packaging and about Disarchive.
> Therefore, there is no ambiguity here.

Sorry, I think I wasn’t clear.  Consider this:

  touch ceph
  guix hash ceph

What does it print?

If the result depends on external context (the presence or not of a
‘ceph’ file in $PWD), that’s a brittle interface IMO.

This could be addressed by requiring users to be explicit, along these
lines:

  guix hash ceph    # compute the hash of the file called ‘ceph’
  guix hash -P ceph # print the hash of the ‘ceph’ package


But there’s another issue with the interface: ‘guix hash -P ceph’ would
merely print the hash as it appears in the package definition.  Thus
‘-H’ and ‘-r’ would have no effect, which can be confusing.

> For instance, can you guess what “guix build -S graphviz” returns? ;-)

I’m aware it returns the source after applying patches and snippets; I
understand the shortcomings you mention quite well and I don’t deny
there’s a need.  :-)

My comment is on the interface.

>> Do you think there’s another place where we could provide helpers for
>> the die-hard Disarchive hackers among us?  Maybe we could get ‘guix lint
>> -c archival’ to print Disarchive URLs upon failure, and that’d already
>> help?
>
> To me, “guix hash” is about hashing therefore it appears to me the right
> place for getting the hash of something.  For instance, I do not find
> “guix lint -c archival” the right place for sending a request and saving
> to SWH; as olasd said at the time, IIRC. :-) However, the good is that
> “guix lint <pkg>” just works (for archiving). :-)
>
> Last, I do not want Diarchive URLs upon failure, I would like hashes and
> upstream URLs on request. :-)
>
> Well, I do not know.  What could be better?  Another subcommand “guix
> archival” doing all these plumbings: save, display hashes, upstream URL,
> disarchive URL, etc.

Yes, maybe?  I don’t know.  I think it’s important to take a step back:
perhaps we’re in need of a better tool around SWH and Disarchive, rather
than just a tool that displays a hash.  We already have all the APIs to
do these things anyway, so if we clarify the use case, we can surely
glue things together to build a tool that will be more convenient.
(Maybe you’ve already written scripts to help you?)

For example, if the use case is “is this tarball in Disarchive”, this is
answered by ‘guix lint -c archival’, but perhaps we need a more
low-level or more focused tool in that area?

Regarding base16: that too isn’t set in stone.  Commit
3cb5ae8577db28b2c6013b9d9ecf99cb696e3432 provides more flexibility, so
we don’t have to stick to base16.

I hope this perspective is useful!

Ludo’.