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Repology is okay for my use-case because I've gotten accustomed to its quirks. I wouldn't recommend it as a fall-back solution for Guix in its current form, tho, for the reason above. Does that make sense? > You wrote about your feelings and that=E2=80=99s insightful, but can we f= ocus on > specific examples where updaters are not helpful so we can better > understand and improve the situation? I wrote about the following facts: - it is difficult to specify a large number of packages, - when you have specified a large number of packages, the processing is slow, - checking GitHub fails for me. I don't see any feelings in there. >> IMO, to be useful, updaters may need to rely on an external service, >> which may, or may not, belong to the Guix ecosystem. > > All the updaters rely on an external service. Relying on a centralized > SaaSS is different, though. Fair enough. I meant an external centralized service. > Do you have examples of what=E2=80=99s wrong on the UI side? It has no Emacs interface. Nuff said. ;) Again, I don't know how to specify efficiently many packages, e.g., all Emacs packages, or all games. Also, reading through a massive output in the terminal is not very user friendly, IMO. > To me, the main shortcoming is that =E2=80=98guix refresh=E2=80=99 doesn= =E2=80=99t tell you that > if you update X, you may also need to update Y and Z. That info is not > always available, but it is available in repos such as PyPI and ELPA. I don't think solving this is realistic. Dependencies are sometimes very loose. Regards, --=20 Nicolas Goaziou