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Resent-From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 07:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 74290 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: 74290@debbugs.gnu.org, Josselin Poiret , Ekaitz Zarraga , Simon Tournier , Mathieu Othacehe , Tobias Geerinckx-Rice , Efraim Flashner , Andreas Enge , Christopher Baines Received: via spool by 74290-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B74290.173321173624061 (code B ref 74290); Tue, 03 Dec 2024 07:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 74290) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2024 07:42:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tINY0-0006G1-BZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:42:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tINXy-0006Fk-AR for 74290@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:42:15 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINXp-0003ab-Mr; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:42:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=3ojJ56DlLlO2nvP+l7AjaxPbFN7xBAVzLo5I/ywUl/0=; b=EEec8ZiQtkVdYIEGIypq rW9wskg0KKxOYQE0usGuEgMAk0+iZLDM5847SRPDIccXcgbScomoZ4u9N8NVk/CUvl0AWttXwhGiA G29BiVz49rspWHCV+85m3gJhOx67bQgiT9d1EKdQsc0+4zHcgwJlsMOBVLVRAKzoCRmAzWL6R68yX WmYrP3bTQYpzvhpEVv/+G2O48rMLd0W8Dbzji7GI/iKEFuxZOCewzec1vwfW5swz9B6ofDIJhlMkO iStL25GPpUgUePRxEOBz4Ft/046efy3cfW1FQTYwvgGr+04N1KvTERD2ESjaeIaWzD59uQjLHRFE+ xVPIwrtqef32VA==; From: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <87v7wixh17.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:48:20 +0100") Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl References: <99a9152dc069538a151504d65b85fd5105149a51.1731427612.git.janneke@gnu.org> <87mshxkd89.fsf@gnu.org> <87o72dn544.fsf@gnu.org> <87v7wixh17.fsf@gnu.org> X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:41:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87iks1kybp.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.75 X-Spam-Score: 0.75 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BB5A086525 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: I5auahcrxMFf Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: Hello, > skribis: > >> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > > [...] > >>> how about changing the GCC version used for cross-compilation, and >>> only that: >>> >>> diff --git a/gnu/packages/cross-base.scm b/gnu/packages/cross-base.scm >>> index 5781341a87..6120740b3c 100644 >>> --- a/gnu/packages/cross-base.scm >>> +++ b/gnu/packages/cross-base.scm >>> @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ (define-syntax %xgcc >>> ;; >>> ;; Note: This is a macro so that we do not refer to 'gcc' from the t= op >>> ;; level, which would lead to circular-dependency issues. >>> - (identifier-syntax gcc)) >>> + (identifier-syntax gcc-14)) >> >> Interesting...I would have thought this would cause a world rebuild, >> because of the cross-gcc in commencement. Apparently, it doesn't. >> >>> That would affect also non-Hurd cross-compilation targets, but if it >>> works, it=E2=80=99s simpler. >> >> Ok, I very much like the simplicity of this. > > Yay. > >>> Then, as a second step, we could prepare a =E2=80=98core-packages-team= =E2=80=99 branch >>> that upgrades =E2=80=98gcc=E2=80=99 globally, and that way we keep some= thing consistent >>> and simpler, without =E2=80=98current-gcc=E2=80=99. (Though it means w= e=E2=80=99d have to wait >>> before we can build natively on x86_64-gnu.) >>> >>> WDYT? >> >> I've been thinking about this route and decided against it because it >> seems to me that upgrading to gcc-14 will cause a lot of trouble/work. > > True. > >> However, if that work is shared, and we have the build farm to help, it >> may be the best route. Maybe the wait doesn't have to be too long? >> Also, in the mean time, upstream support might improve. > > Well yes, it=E2=80=99s going to take a bit of time, let=E2=80=99s face it. > > But hopefully quite a few of us would work on it and we=E2=80=99d set up = ci.guix > to build the branch. > > Also, with the reduced scope of =E2=80=98core-packages=E2=80=99, I hope i= t can be faster > than =E2=80=98core-updates=E2=80=99 was before. And we can choose to hav= e a cycle that > changes very little beside GCC. > >> Maybe we can decide to go the route you propose and also keep this >> current-gcc patch on the hurd-team branch for a bit (we prepend a fat >> REMOVEME in front of it). We can keep working on native Hurd builds >> that use gcc-14 on hurd-team using this hack, until core-packages-team >> is ready to make it obsolete? > > Yes. > > At least, we can already merge cross-compilation support. Pushed to master as ec8a5ec15f898e864705e5a5c834532e3fa8d0a4. 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