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We don't even know > whether *free* software linked against this systemd would behave as > expected, let alone nonfree software. Yeah, that=E2=80=99s definitely not a good reason to include it. > This was in part already discussed in IRC, but to reiterate, I think > that the systemd package should be usable in some capacity -- be it, > that we can run systemd as user daemons or be it, that we can > *meaningfully* link free software against it. Note however, that the > latter most likely implies the first, since there's no meaningful > linkage against systemd without one of its daemons running. Given the maintenance cost, we=E2=80=99d need a more convincing argument th= an =E2=80=9Cshould be usable=E2=80=9D. :-) So it seems to me that we=E2=80=99re done with it as far as inclusion in Gu= ix is concerned. Thoughts? It=E2=80=99s typically a situation where an external channel is more appropriate, IMO. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.