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dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5B7772FC04 X-Spam-Score: -3.93 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: KF0QEYpUWNQI Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > >> Do you have examples where our updaters perform poorly and where >> Repology does a better job? I wonder if there are lessons to be drawn >> and bugs to be fixed. > > As a data point, I'm sorry to say that our updaters are useless to me. > > I watch over more than one thousand packages. I would have a hard time > expressing what are those packages to the updater, besides writing and > keeping up-to-date a huge manifest file. Assuming I could manage this, > fetching all version information would take considerable time, and, > since many packages are from GitHub, the party would stop early anyway > with GitHub refusing to proceed and requesting some token I don't have. > > OTOH, using Repology API, I get the information I want in about ten > seconds. Sure, I need to eyeball through the results, filtering false > positives (around 4% in my case), but it still is a practical solution. (I=E2=80=99m confused because my understanding of what you first wrote was = that Repology had too many false positives to be useful.) You wrote about your feelings and that=E2=80=99s insightful, but can we foc= us on specific examples where updaters are not helpful so we can better understand and improve the situation? > IMO, to be useful, updaters may need to rely on an external service, > which may, or may not, belong to the Guix ecosystem. All the updaters rely on an external service. Relying on a centralized SaaSS is different, though. > They also need a good UI. Do you have examples of what=E2=80=99s wrong on the UI side? To me, the main shortcoming is that =E2=80=98guix refresh=E2=80=99 doesn=E2= =80=99t tell you that if you update X, you may also need to update Y and Z. That info is not always available, but it is available in repos such as PyPI and ELPA. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.