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Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 74736 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Simon Tournier Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?No=C3=A9?= Lopez , 74736@debbugs.gnu.org, Christopher Baines , Steve George Received: via spool by 74736-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B74736.173521175632341 (code B ref 74736); Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 74736) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2024 11:15:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQlqN-0008PZ-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2024 06:15:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47462) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQlqL-0008PL-OU for 74736@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2024 06:15:54 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQlqE-0002QU-Bl; Thu, 26 Dec 2024 06:15:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=+d8CblfTJ3oj7bYn+jRuoAl8AGOXr1dALEe6lTS8IaY=; b=o7YU6a5WaRqSiHthHaN+ 1yy0wsWNWRHnxen3CmegxCEPI0oydUReGGH/TFTD+p5U87aLr3VqG+mkilUIvQ116lnRbtrUrHvGC 8kKu4xi7HmNze8BCfzXn0Qct45vgX0UPqMEMknAiV4RC/H6J1Zc2TC5x3ZjG67gfOQVCHuQu4+t3m aFfSQMN5kmZ7LuotIE+JTdZCQBp8eixBuSfi6h2Qj9+M+lhKlqDeLlVcaXlfqTLtUfk5Isybfa18L wMGMHENsXBrJwnOVaI5FuVZ04oFyYUI/bx2Uq/5MX86LjB3o5PNwTOttWXwqTGZZIBsmdfksiItOW jLRg6+SqznTTXg==; From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= In-Reply-To: <8734iee0y1.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Simon Tournier's message of "Mon, 23 Dec 2024 18:58:14 +0100") References: <09ff9f31af0575ba5223bf713f166101e79b8d99.1733614983.git.noelopez@free.fr> <875xno7oqg.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87ed2cn0oq.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7vmo9yg.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <8734iee0y1.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Sextidi 6 =?UTF-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 233 de la =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution,?= jour de la Lave X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:15:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87frmay9sw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 29778254BB X-TUID: AYZ9JlUu04XQ Hi, Simon Tournier skribis: >> Since (1) day-to-day contributions do not follow the RFC process and (2) >> teams and consensus-based decision making are already defined (and went >> through peer review), I think it makes more sense to build on these two >> sections we already have. > > I still think the RFC process must contain its own =E2=80=9CDecision Maki= ng=E2=80=9D > process and must not refer to external parts that could be changed > without going via this RFC process. > > Somehow, from my point of view, it makes more sense to encode =E2=80=9CDe= cision > Making=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CCommit Access=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CTeams=E2= =80=9D via future RFCs than via sections > in the manual. And we need to bootstrap the =E2=80=9CDecision Making=E2= =80=9D, no? I agree that sections in the manual are suboptimal. That is why I proposed moving contributing.texi to a document of its own, which would sit next to the RFC process document. I don=E2=80=99t consider it a prerequisite though. > For sure, I agree that we do not build from nothing. To me, this very > first RFC makes explicit the structure we already have. Maybe I > misunderstand something, IMHO, we should avoid the temptation to say: > Hey we already have a way to collaborate thus let implicitly rely on. > > Hum? =F0=9F=A4=94 Somehow, I would find the RFC process incomplete withou= t an > explicit self-contained =E2=80=9CDecision Making=E2=80=9D section. What I=E2=80=99d like to stress is that decision making also happens outsid= e the RFC process; not everything will go through the RFC process. So we=E2=80= =99ll need to have that manual section for day-to-day contributions anyway. But yeah, maybe we can have one specific to the RFC document, too. Ludo=E2=80=99.