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From: Mike Gerwitz <mtg@gnu.org>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 30256@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#30256] [PATCH 3/3] scripts: environment: Add --no-cwd.
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 13:03:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d10ibds4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tvtv32ec.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Sun, 04 Mar 2018 23:24:27 +0100")

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On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 23:24:27 +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Right.  The ‘guix run’ script I sent doesn’t try to build things; it
> just takes whatever is in $PATH (which has to be in the store,
> ultimately) and runs it.

Oh, great!

>> Obviously the desirable behavior is to just containerize whatever is in
>> your profile, if possible.  Maybe the script you sent me does just
>> that.  I'm excited to play around with it, I just can't atm. :(
>
> You still have to explicitly run ‘guix run icecat’, which isn’t great:
> if you’re using GNOME Shell and clicking on the icon, you don’t get to
> run it in a containerized environment.

Well, I do everything from a shell, so that works for me personally. :)
But yes, what you are describing is important.

But, from a security perspective, I'd like for containerization to be
_guaranteed_, otherwise a malicious script could just subvert it
(e.g. open icecat with an argument to a malicious HTML file).  I used
`guix environment` not only because of its container support, but
because that ensured that icecat wasn't in my profile at all to be
invoked by something else.

Currently, I'd have to write a package definition to add a wrapper; that
wouldn't be done automatically for me.  But considering a functional
package manager, it'd be an interesting problem to try to get around
that.  And you don't want containerized versions of _every_
package---that's some serious bloat.  Unless maybe they're packages that
are generated from existing package definitions (in some
yet-to-be-defined manner), and maybe those packages have a special
containerized output (in addition to `out',
e.g. `icecat:container').  (I suppose short-term, such outputs can be
created manually for select packages.)

Just spewing thoughts.  I'm still not well-versed in Guix.  So maybe
`guix run` is a good starting point and can be used by a wrapper in the
future.  It also allows users to containerize something optionally---for
example, maybe a user doesn't want to containerize their PDF reader, but
if they are opening an untrusted PDF, they'll want to.  A GNOME context
menu option to say "Open in isolated container" (sorta like Qubes)
sounds attractive.

-- 
Mike Gerwitz
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-05 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87vag2wopo.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-01-26  3:29 ` [bug#30254] [PATCH 0/3] guix environment --user, --link-profile, --no-cwd Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-26  3:29   ` [bug#30255] [PATCH 1/3] scripts: environment: Add --link-profile Mike Gerwitz
2018-03-02 10:20     ` bug#30255: " Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-26  3:29   ` [bug#30257] [PATCH 2/3] scripts: environment: Add --user Mike Gerwitz
2018-03-02 10:33     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-26  3:29   ` [bug#30256] [PATCH 3/3] scripts: environment: Add --no-cwd Mike Gerwitz
2018-03-02 10:54     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-02 18:00       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-03-03 14:44         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-04 18:03           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-03-04 22:24             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-05 18:03               ` Mike Gerwitz [this message]
2018-03-06 10:20                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-06 18:07                   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-10-17 12:19       ` [bug#30254] " Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-08  1:56         ` Mike Gerwitz
2019-06-29 23:27     ` Carl Dong
2019-07-07 13:18       ` [bug#30254] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-07-07 14:24         ` Carl Dong
2019-07-08  9:41           ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-07-14 13:18             ` [bug#30256] bug#30254: [PATCH 0/3] guix environment --user, --link-profile, --no-cwd Maxim Cournoyer
2019-07-07 13:45       ` [bug#30256] [PATCH 3/3] scripts: environment: Add --no-cwd Mike Gerwitz

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