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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: Raghav Gururajan <rg@raghavgururajan.name>,
	Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at>,
	48028@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 3/8] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:49:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czufqtxj.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0af67af0-9649-13f6-6740-60b8cc05ee1f@raghavgururajan.name>

Hi Raghav,

Raghav Gururajan <rg@raghavgururajan.name> writes:

>> It would be good to avoid these version-specific references, if
>> possible.  Can you help me understand the rationale?  Did you find that
>> there is an incompatibility between the latest stable versions of
>> 'gtkmm', 'atkmm', 'cairomm', and 'pangomm'?  If so, could you help me
>> understand the nature of that incompatibility?  Perhaps it can be
>> addressed in another way.
>
> Its because of ABI incompatibility. The pkg-config for gtkmm, checks for 
> specific ABI versions of atkmm, cairomm and pangomm.
>
>> If it turns out that these versioned references are truly unavoidable,
>> it would be good to add comments next to those references, briefly
>> explaining the rationale.
>
> I have added comment in the code, in v5.

Respectfully, it seems to me that you've been too quick to dismiss my
concerns.  As I pointed out in my previous email:

  (1) [These versioned references] will likely lead to conflicts within
  profiles.  For example, a profile that includes both 'gtkmm' and
  'cairomm' may fail to build, because it would require including both
  'cairomm' and 'cairomm-1.13',

This could be a real annoyance.  Guix users should be able to run "guix
install gtkmm atkmm cairomm pangomm" and have that work.  With these
proposed patches applied, I suspect that it might not work.

Traditional GNU/Linux distributions that package GNOME 40 will certainly
choose versions of 'gtkmm', 'atkmm', 'cairomm', and 'pangomm' that are
compatible with each other.  We should too, I think.

From my own experience performing a GNOME upgrade for Guix a few years
ago, I remember that when the GNOME developers produce a new GNOME
release, they provide somewhere a list of the versions of each component
that are part of that release.  Presumably they choose those versions to
be compatible with each other.

This makes me wonder if some of the GNOME components on the 'wip-gnome'
branch are newer than they should be (perhaps a development version) or
older than they should be.

What do you think?

    Regards,
      Mark

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-27 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-26  8:09 [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 0/8]: Misc Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11 ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 1/8] gnu: gtkmm@2: Remove inheritance from gtkmm@3 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 2/8] gnu: gtkmm: Change build-system Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 3/8] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 20:52     ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:32       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 4/8] gnu: libsoup: Simplify adjustment of tests and disable ssl-test Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:34     ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-26  9:24       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 5/8] gnu: libsoup: Add missing argument and input Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:40     ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-26  9:28       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:47         ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-26 10:32           ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 17:26             ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 3/8] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs Mark H Weaver
2021-04-27  9:37               ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27 21:49                 ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2021-05-05 19:06                   ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-05-05 20:10                     ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-05-05 20:55                       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-05-07 17:25                         ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-05-07 18:40                         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-07 19:05                           ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-07 18:34                       ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-07 18:37                         ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 6/8] gnu: libsoup: Update home-page Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:46     ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 7/8] gnu: python-pycairo: Update to 1.20.0 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  8:11   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 8/8] gnu: python-pygobject: Update to 3.40.1 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 20:47   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 1/8] gnu: gtkmm@2: Remove inheritance from gtkmm@3 Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:29     ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27  9:29     ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08 ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 01/10] " Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 02/10] gnu: gtkmm: Change build-system Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 03/10] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 04/10] gnu: libsoup: Simplify adjustment of tests Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 05/10] gnu: libsoup: Disable ssl-test Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 20:58     ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:33       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 06/10] gnu: libsoup: Add missing argument and input Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 21:02     ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:34       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 07/10] gnu: libsoup: Propagate glib-networking Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 08/10] gnu: libsoup: Update home-page Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 09/10] gnu: python-pycairo: Update to 1.20.0 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v2 10/10] gnu: python-pygobject: Update to 3.40.1 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22 ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 01/10] gnu: gtkmm@2: Remove inheritance from gtkmm@3 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 02/10] gnu: gtkmm: Change build-system Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 03/10] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 04/10] gnu: libsoup: Simplify adjustment of tests Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:42     ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-26 10:31       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 05/10] gnu: libsoup: Disable ssl-test Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 06/10] gnu: libsoup: Add missing input Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 07/10] gnu: libsoup: Propagate glib-networking Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 08/10] gnu: libsoup: Update home-page Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 09/10] gnu: python-pycairo: Update to 1.20.0 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26  9:22   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v3 10/10] gnu: python-pygobject: Update to 3.40.1 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28 ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 1/8] gnu: gtkmm@2: Remove inheritance from gtkmm@3 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 2/8] gnu: gtkmm: Change build-system Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 3/8] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 4/8] gnu: libsoup: Disable ssl-test Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 5/8] gnu: libsoup: Adjust inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 6/8] gnu: libsoup: Update home-page Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 7/8] gnu: python-pycairo: Update to 1.20.0 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 10:28   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 8/8] gnu: python-pygobject: Update to 3.40.1 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-26 21:08   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v4 1/8] gnu: gtkmm@2: Remove inheritance from gtkmm@3 Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:23 ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 1/8] gnu: gtkmm: Change build-system and adjust arguments accordingly Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 2/8] gnu: gtkmm@2: Override inheritance of certain changes from gtkmm Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27 17:42     ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 3/8] gnu: gtkmm: Add missing native-input and correct propagated-inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27 17:43     ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 4/8] gnu: libsoup: Disable ssl-test Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 5/8] gnu: libsoup: Adjust inputs Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-28  7:41     ` Leo Prikler
2021-04-28 13:07       ` Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-28 14:40         ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-02  5:14           ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome 0/8]: Misc 宋文武
2021-05-02  7:03             ` Leo Prikler
2021-05-03  3:32               ` 宋文武
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 6/8] gnu: libsoup: Update home-page Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 7/8] gnu: python-pycairo: Update to 1.20.0 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-04-27  9:23   ` [bug#48028] [PATCH wip-gnome v5 8/8] gnu: python-pygobject: Update to 3.40.1 Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via
2021-05-07 21:23 ` bug#48028: (no subject) Raghav Gururajan via Guix-patches via

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