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Maxim added to doc/contributing.texi: > It is expected from all contributors, and even more so from > committers, to collaborate in a consensus decision making > fashion. To learn what consensus decision making means and > understand its finer details, you are encouraged to read > @url{https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/consensus}. Only now, that it is already pushed, have I taken the time to read (or, at some point, skim) the link. I just want to acclaim: * I agree with the addition of this kind of writing. * Seeds for Change is more politically left than I first expected, and the consensus sub-page uses not only examples that chime well with free software and Outreachy, but also one-sided views on issues like housing. Perhaps such examples will prompt dissent in the future. It would have been an option (a worse option) to add consensus decision making to the manual without linking to such an extensive text. Nonetheless, the way it is written, the manual asks for agreement with consensus decision making, not with Seeds for Change or the examples on the consensus page. I still agree with making people learn from the link. * It is good that, when there is little feedback, you have pushed it. Seeds for Change say: take =E2=80=9Csufficient time=E2=80=9D, but IMHO yo= u did and more time would not have helped. Also you had already taken steps like writing to guix-devel and generally applied the Seeds=E2=80=99 recommendations. Regards, Florian