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Also, the deduplication code gracefully handles ENOSPC >> on >> /gnu/store/.links. > > The kernel doesn't discriminate and logs warnings. What do those warnings look like? > Several people do notice these, don't realise that they are > =E2=80=98harmless=E2=80=99, and follow some on-line tutorial to enable la= rge_dir. > Which apparently breaks GRUB. > > None of this is Guix's fault. It does happen. Oh, so it=E2=80=99s some tutorial out there that leads users to use =E2=80= =98large_dir=E2=80=99 when they see those warnings? Bah. > I'm not happy with this patch: it's the tiniest possible tweak and > puts a lot of implicit meaning into the default ordering. Yeah. That said, recommending btrfs (it=E2=80=99s now the first and default choic= e) has implications. It has its pros, but it doesn=E2=80=99t come for free ei= ther in terms of usability and observable change in behavior in some cases. For example, we=E2=80=99ll likely see reports of test suites that fail on u= ser machines (btrfs) but work on our build farms (ext4). So I think we should be careful here. Another option would be to document the =E2=80=98large_dir=E2=80=99 limitat= ion, or to use a newer GRUB if that limitation has been addressed in the meantime? WDYT? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.