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Resent-From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70280 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: 70280@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 70280-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70280.171322038523212 (code B ref 70280); Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 70280) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2024 22:33:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40011 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rwUsp-000622-C1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:33:05 -0400 Received: from relay.yourmailgateway.de ([188.68.63.174]:59443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rwUsl-00060i-Fj for 70280@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:33:02 -0400 Received: from mors-relay8204.netcup.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mors-relay8204.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VJMPT4scXz8cL2; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:32:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=key2; t=1713220365; bh=MK90Pgg56KyYB8nFhArqGVTawzMZ8BBfwQD3gFwSZzw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=D7VpUpfQkZBO3WrLbssYGdT6EHwoOPZcOp4XSNTIe3KuN7c9HWvlS8pl4Vbd0fmjw SoCnGpdzhe/iVpcHu96FuS4aueNsL65umJh7E+/xx9becsw33bK0aRucQ2M4mLN8xb sPQlBQfHBOmyF98DBy4QcP1HQb1gncz9L8Rp+jh8/XlXqvl6nir+yARF88ZbEck98E O3ewNMdkSAn0dm+ascx4GXgqmusNbq3PDSM1amgIeOFE8HfV5A6Wisf4GrR/vV3kn9 +LckZJncWuKkpJH4uiHf2ImVMDAC9fOWM+wcsHNav1YT5jUUyy4HQOS/lrjl0COjnd VF/XbY1lgghOw== Received: from policy02-mors.netcup.net (unknown [46.38.225.35]) by mors-relay8204.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VJMPT45K0z8cKD; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxe217.netcup.net (unknown [10.243.12.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by policy02-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VJMPT2Jnpz8sb3; Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:32:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from florianrock64 (ip92344de0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [146.52.77.224]) by mxe217.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD63B819CD; Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:32:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" In-Reply-To: <87y19ezjdb.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:22:08 +0200") References: <87frvus4wr.fsf@pelzflorian.de> <87y19ezjdb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:32:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87a5lunto9.fsf@pelzflorian.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AD63B819CD X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-NC-CID: XzPy/PgY67MLI1AECCNC5pLCzXKjnyFw5yrE4VTKtJaezyVqD+OL00cX X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.95 X-Spam-Score: -0.95 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: ECF8D368A9 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: HEymflcj3z4Y Bonjour Ludo. :) Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Guten Tag Florian, > > "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" skribis: > >> I agree with shrinking default locales, but do not understand what >> benefit it brings that U.N. languages are always included. Perhaps it >> would be more useful to include en_US only? > > My idea was to include by default a few locales that people may > =E2=80=9Ctypically=E2=80=9D find useful, in addition to their chosen one. Hmm but how would they use it? Ohh I just noticed that these languages configured here will be the options in the GNOME Settings. I do agree now that the six languages are a standard set, although Russian has less speakers than Portuguese [1], which gets discussed [2] and I would tend to also include Portuguese then, because it has translations unlike Bengali or Hindi. > Of course, it=E2=80=99s an arbitrary choice (choosing the six UN language= s makes > it slightly less arbitrary). > >> Locales like fr_CA and >> ar_JO do not even have separate teams on translationproject.org. There >> are reasons for developers to include interesting locales for testing >> like tr_TR or az_AZ, where capitalized i is =C4=B0 and small I is =C4=B1= , breaking >> all kinds of programs, but few people would know. > > My goal is *not* to provide a default set useful for developers > (otherwise German, Greek, Turkish, and non-UTF-8 locales would be > welcome). > > Now, should we remove fr_CA and ar_JO? Maybe! I=E2=80=99m open to reall= y any > changes in this list; I just think it should go beyond en_US. > > Thoughts? > > Ludo=E2=80=99. I would remove ar_JO. Probably also remove fr_CA, because someone from Canada will configure fr_CA during Guix installation. Regards, Florian [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_the_United_Nations