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[172.221.246.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n16sm2465443qta.51.2021.10.08.07.24.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 08 Oct 2021 07:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Cox-Buday References: <20211002102116.27726-1-ludo@gnu.org> <877depdw3i.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <20211007105236.xzkq5tij3g3tcdob@pelzflorian.localdomain> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 09:24:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: (David Thompson's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2021 07:17:43 -0400") Message-ID: <878rz3lhln.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1633703117; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:resent-cc:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references: list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post: dkim-signature; bh=keW7URPLLfpboTAtJT/8+HCaYm/3mWQmGHvEzLtaUY4=; b=JBk0VCXI/Z8+6uOvhSlJl4vC+T22ilG5YZz5LUHc9/DoDhidZHOHbk7xquBp2xkStgMM4B P44FicBfI0KsvVKmeMEkFfDaSwCl8Wk5RG8u8BpTYN5Sv4xQ6+tsRtCVvt+qEea/zHvwDh qpypQkfgCBtzpNi3zk5PacDLSm4KcZ6AxBjOUQAT0YWxanm14a1DeCnItPEY9sDwNFMbd3 t74EkFxaNIIyCIa2cNS2CSsuqRizqDdxlNZf7aUuraHo1BnoGvdEU45pzSBv7gcc77vB5C a2DwMa7zmcHo7a9WedNIMqoa2WrqIGV8zoly1w+SLQxlHIBcgEcOwRjRanFm/g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1633703117; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aMOFNzUB7GH5nsKRaP0zhz7WDZPghzbPpUfwn0wfdC47Z5x+pvlbgbaIpSttTk78RGVMt4 dmzcwNu5VrdFbv0Awr3GjnHPXtdng9GbdsEHmt7f6zxZ8ligbjLJjA2IRkaloetCLyorqq mph2WSeDaW9ZguDvAZrA/dTPR4XJnpFcoOTmfBcHIDbF/XdENLhRlc97kODwwZ2rePMndV b88DcziAZ8g8tCFNuBNxmatuT/rUj3Oj7xmJK+H+EpbAAXqmucM9u3A24EdDrv4rR7grle bm6yx4P4dFo3gw0itDLw5kfKaWglzxL2C8ja8AIlGjxSWHFge62wM+79H34IAA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=GuQIgrWg; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.19 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=GuQIgrWg; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5273423DA5 X-Spam-Score: 0.19 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: WYEKhemLzMiD "Thompson, David" writes: > I don't think your fear should outweigh the immense user friendliness > of having some established conventions to ease development. Every > mainstream developer tool I use in the professional word has > conventions like this, and the result is that it is quick and easy to > jump into a new project and get the software you need to be > productive. Guix needs to embrace this kind of usability if it hopes > to offer a real alternative to these other tools. 'guix shell' with > no other arguments should "just work" in the context of whatever > project I am in. > > - Dave I agree with this. -- Katherine