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No no, I was careful to apply the same standards. :-) My main question is whether it=E2=80=99s usable at all: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/48924#1 Tony=E2=80=99s use case has to do with satisfying the dependencies of a binary-only proprietary executable: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/48924#2 To me, that use case alone isn=E2=80=99t enough to justify maintaining syst= emd in Guix proper. However, if, as Efraim suggests, a systemd package has some uses, at least on foreign distros, then that=E2=80=99s fine with me. It=E2=80=99s a= very narrow use case (running =E2=80=98loginctl=E2=80=99 on a foreign distro), but why = not. Thoughts? Ludo=E2=80=99.