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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Carlo Zancanaro <carlo@zancanaro.id.au>
Cc: 30948@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#30948] [PATCH core-updates] guix: Reap finished child processes in build containers.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:17:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874lkxoanq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o9j5x1d4.fsf@zancanaro.id.au> (Carlo Zancanaro's message of "Fri, 30 Mar 2018 22:17:06 +1100")

Hello,

Carlo Zancanaro <carlo@zancanaro.id.au> skribis:

> On Fri, Mar 30 2018, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>>> From what I can understand it's one of pid 1's responsiblities to
>>> reap child processes, so I would expect this to be set up for every
>>> builder, before the builder is run.
>>
>> True, but for derivations it’s also “optional” because eventually
>> guix-daemon terminates all its child processes.
>
> As long as the build process doesn't rely on behaviour that, strictly
> speaking, it should be allowed to rely on. It's not an issue of
> resource leaking, it's an issue of correctness.

Right.

>>> Given it's not specific to the gnu-build-system, I don't think it
>>> really fits there.
>>
>> Yes, but note that it would be inherited by all the build systems.
>
> Except for trivial-build-system, which is probably fine. I still don't
> think it fits in a specific build system, given it's a behaviour that
> transcends the specific action happening within the container.
>
> Putting it in gnu-build-system will solve the problem in all realistic
> cases, so that's probably fine. It's still subtly incorrect, but will
> only be a problem if something using the trivial build system relies
> on pid 1 to reap a process, or if we make a new build system not
> deriving from gnu-build-system (which seems unlikely, but not
> impossible).

I agree, every Guile process running as PID 1 should reap processes.

My view is just that this mechanism belongs in “user code”, not in the
low-level mechanisms such as ‘build-expression->derivation’ and
‘gexp->derivation’.  It’s a matter of separation of concerns.

Of course we don’t want to duplicate that code every time, but the way
we should factorize it, IMO, is by putting it in a “normal” module that
people will use.

Putting it in gnu-build-system is an admittedly hacky but easy way to
have it widely shared.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-30 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-26 11:16 [bug#30948] [PATCH core-updates] guix: Reap finished child processes in build containers Carlo Zancanaro
2018-03-26 23:39 ` Carlo Zancanaro
2018-03-29 20:07 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-29 21:15   ` Carlo Zancanaro
2018-03-30  8:16     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-30 11:17       ` Carlo Zancanaro
2018-03-30 15:17         ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-11-24 16:40           ` Maxim Cournoyer

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