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This does not just affect publishing though. It also means that a bunch of games you codes for 7.4 will not work (as expected) with Renpy 8, which might be – pardon the pun – game-breaking. > > Long-term I do think Renpy 7 should not be in Guix upstream, but > > past efforts to move it elsewhere like Guix Past ended up mere > > discussion. The questions for me is what to do shot-term, while > > Renpy 8 is not a viable option. > > Are all the above Python 2 dependencies already in the Guix-Past > channel?  If so, it seems that it could be decent option to keep > renpy 7 there until renpy 8 is made stable, if updating to the pre- > release in Guix proper is too difficult. Only cython is currently in Guix Past, the rest needs to be added. Regarding renpy 8, it turns out that no tags exist in Github currently, so we would have to guess some random commits. That plus my already mentioned concerns should imho be enough to consider using the actually stable version as renpy and offer the other one as renpy-next if people feel like breaking their stuff. OTOH if our stance is that we really don't want any python 2 stuff in Guix and rather have people use time machine, I think we should loudly break the package (by removing it) rather than silently. Cheers