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From: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
To: Mason Loring Bliss <mason@blisses.org>, 45692@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#45692] Gaslighting
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:22:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1061ab2fff72300fee6d29760b3c5e92c80969cb.camel@telenet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210902212359.GU6420@blisses.org>

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Mason Loring Bliss schreef op do 02-09-2021 om 17:24 [-0400]:
> Maxime writes,
>   
>     > The GPL violation is very unfortunate. It would have been nice to
>     > have some ZFS support in Guix.
> 
> There is no GPL violation. Gaslighting in an attempt to sabotage the
> adoption of high-quality free software is somewhat poor form and not at all
> useful.

Indeed, gaslighing is poor form and not at all useful.  But why are you suggesting
I'm gaslightling here?  Did you just read these last two sentences of the e-mail?
If you read all of it, you'd have seen my explanation of why I believe there's
a GPL violation, and two relevant links to articles by SFLC and FSF. 

Also see IRC logs:
https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-09-02.log
https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-09-03.log

While ultimately it's a matter for the courts to decide on,
I believe I've reasonable grounds to believe it's a GPL violation
and explained why, so I don't see any gaslightling here.

And I'm not ‘sabotaging’ anything.  In fact, I'm _helping_ adoption of ZFS,
by reviewing the patch and giving some suggestions.  There is just the practical
problem of the in-my-eyes probable GPL violation (your opinion on whether it's
a GPL violation might vary).

> To be clear, the one singular thing that would be a GPL violation would be
> Guix building Linux with ZFS built in and then distributing that binary.
> Users can build ZFS into their kernels and use them and that's fine as long
> as they don't distribute them. Guix can script this to make it easy for
> users to build ZFS into their kernels and that would not be a violation.
> The only possible violation is distribution of a binary Linux kernel with
> ZFS compiled into it.

See the previous mail and the IRC logs for why I find this reasoning rather
flimsy.

> Hope that helps.

No, your libel about ‘Maxime is gaslighting’ doesn't help.  And your paragraph
about why you think there's no GPL violation here is nothing I haven't read before.

I probably won't be reading and replying to your mails anymore.

Bye,
Maxime

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-03 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-06 15:52 [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 15:54 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 1/4] gnu: Allow services to install kernel-loadable modules raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-08 16:16   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-10 14:13   ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 15:44   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 16:49     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 15:55 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 2/4] gnu: Make file-systems target extensible by services raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-23 13:05   ` 宋文武
2021-01-25  0:18     ` guix-patches--- via
2021-02-10 14:17       ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 14:46         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 15:56 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 3/4] gnu: Fix ZFS package raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-07  8:23   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-01-06 15:57 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 4/4] gnu: Add ZFS service raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 19:41   ` [bug#45703] kernel-module-configuration-service for configuring kernel parameters Danny Milosavljevic
2021-01-07  0:04     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-07  5:38       ` [bug#45692] " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-07  9:16         ` [bug#42193] " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-08 15:02   ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 4/4] gnu: Add ZFS service raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-09  8:31     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-08  3:31       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-02-08  6:25         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-10 14:27     ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 14:32       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-13  1:49       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-03-22 14:33 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 0/3] New patch series for " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-03-28 12:55   ` Léo Le Bouter via Guix-patches via
2021-03-29  4:39     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-07-23 15:11       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-03-22 14:33 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 1/3] gnu: Allow services to install kernel-loadable modules raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-05-11 14:17   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-03-22 14:34 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 2/3] gnu: Add zfs-auto-snapshot raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-05-11 14:05   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-05-13  1:21     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-05-13 13:08       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-03-22 14:35 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 3/3] gnu: Add ZFS service type raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-07-25 14:03   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-07-25 14:31 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v4 " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-08-01  9:41   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-08-10 11:43     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-08-31  0:48       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-02 20:57   ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-02 22:22     ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-03 12:41       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-04 18:58     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-06  8:08     ` zimoun
2021-09-06 10:40       ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-06 11:08         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-06 17:17         ` zimoun
2021-09-07  9:54           ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-08  1:23             ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-15 14:04               ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-21  9:42                 ` zimoun
2021-09-04 21:19   ` Xinglu Chen
2021-09-06 10:52     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-06 14:22       ` Xinglu Chen
2021-09-02 21:24 ` [bug#45692] Gaslighting Mason Loring Bliss
2021-09-03 12:22   ` Maxime Devos [this message]
2021-09-06  7:59   ` [bug#45692] zimoun
2021-09-30 14:56 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v5 3/3] gnu: Add ZFS service type raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-10-19 13:18   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-10-27  7:30     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-10-27 16:38       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2021-11-30 15:26         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-12-12 13:32           ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-12-21 21:15             ` [bug#45643] [PATCH 0/3] Better Support for ZFS on Guix Brice Waegeneire
2022-01-01 11:59               ` [bug#45692] bug#45643: " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-01-19 14:24                 ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-01-07  4:21 ` [bug#45692] " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-02-14 14:10   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-02-18  7:13     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-16 23:44       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-17  8:24       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-03-17 17:22         ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 18:38           ` zimoun
2022-03-17 19:10             ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 14:24           ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-20  4:42             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-03-19 14:09         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-19 16:22           ` Leo Famulari
2022-03-19 14:25 ` [bug#45692] (No Subject) raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via

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