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From: Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>
To: kiasoc5 <kiasoc5@disroot.org>
Cc: Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net>,
	Robby Zambito <contact@robbyzambito.me>,
	Sarthak Shah <shahsarthakw@gmail.com>,
	guix-devel@gnu.org, Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com>
Subject: Re: A Forum for Guix Users
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 13:59:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s0UKLpod1VGb3atk_t3EM2Sn_qBjElc1JOlEC5OvOJmwydHpGsRcTlp1Hqeb7_VCoAyzwEWVMi1ygNNz2-zdGluVa9SHttUzhh0VsFB33sU=@lendvai.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cf87d385-8998-9504-834d-a55f3b4606d6@disroot.org>

> > > I personally think that it would be wiser to improve the documentation
> > > relating to the mailing lists and IRC logs, rather than fragmenting the
> > > places that someone should look for answers. Maybe a new / additional
> > > frontend that is more approachable for new users would also be good.
> 
> 
> Imo, fragmentation is abound in Guix.
> 
> The official docs, while very good, is missing things that often need to
> be answered by reading the source/commit log. Some examples: the manual


also, reading the entire manual has an large cost, when e.g. i'm trying out a new distro and i have a limited time and tolerance for frustration. i'll be firing up websearches, skim past discussions, and then as a last resort peek into the code... but i will not read the manual from front to back in that phase.

i'm not sure how representative a sample i am, though.


> If it's not in the manual, I (and probably many others) turn to my
> search engine. But there's a relative lack of blogs covering usage of


...or straight out start with the search engine, and only after that try to browse the relevant part of the manual.


> Guix, probably because most people have difficulty using Guix on nonfree
> hardware. And the unofficial forums for Guix on Reddit/Lemmy, where


yeah, the idealist in me is fully behind the free software fundamentalist stance to not even mention That Other Channel, but the realist in me also sees that it potentially turns away hordes of new users who run out of frustration-tolerance before they could even install the distro and begin playing with it...


> Compare this to Nix. It's likely more popular because users have access
> to the most number of updated packages on their (likely nonfree)
> computers and OSes (as Nix works on Mac). These users then write blog
> posts and engage with their community to espouse how amazing their Nix
> experience is, which in turn serves as informal documentation. More
> users = more contributors = more blog posts and engagement = more users
> = positive feedback loop.


FWIW, i came to Guix from Nix, and the difference for me in user and contributor experience was enormous. from a technical perspective, i find Guix superior enough to compensate for it, though.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-15 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-13 13:52 A Forum for Guix Users Sarthak Shah
2023-07-13 14:05 ` Robby Zambito
2023-07-13 15:21   ` Csepp
2023-07-14 11:31     ` Msavoritias
2023-07-15 13:43       ` Attila Lendvai
2023-07-15 21:00         ` MSavoritias
2023-07-16  5:55           ` Julien Lepiller
2023-07-15  2:45     ` kiasoc5
2023-07-15 13:59       ` Attila Lendvai [this message]
2023-07-15 13:14     ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2023-07-14 21:10   ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-07-15 13:27     ` Attila Lendvai
2023-07-16 10:33     ` Pjotr Prins
2023-07-16 23:30       ` Csepp
2023-07-17 17:41         ` Attila Lendvai
2023-07-17  7:37       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-07-17  8:17         ` MSavoritias
2023-07-17 20:29           ` Csepp
2023-07-13 14:40 ` Andrea Rossi
2023-07-13 22:38 ` vidak
2023-07-17  7:58   ` Etienne B. Roesch
2023-08-19 12:47     ` Simon Tournier
2023-07-18  1:52 ` Wilko Meyer
2023-07-18 16:39   ` Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-07-18 21:12     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-08-19 11:54 ` Simon Tournier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-07-14 20:19 Andy Tai
2023-07-14 21:17 ` Sarthak Shah
2023-07-14 21:26   ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-07-14 22:12     ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-07-14 23:50   ` Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-07-21 13:30   ` 宋文武
2023-07-18 11:45 Distopico
2023-07-21  8:37 ` Etienne B. Roesch
2023-07-23 16:17 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2023-07-24  2:41   ` Csepp
2023-08-19 10:59 ` Simon Tournier

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