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From: Konrad Hinsen <konrad.hinsen@fastmail.net>
To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Using Guix inside a Guix container
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:21:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r0unuy4v.fsf@fastmail.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a61c5mew.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi Simon,

> Which part of Guix do you need inside the containerized shell that you
> cannot do outside?

That's not the right question. There's always a way to do what I want to
do outside. But that may be very inconvenient.

> Considering your use-case with Snakemake, what I am doing is to wrap
> each rule with one containerized Guix shell which controls the
> permissions, rule by rule; or a big containerized shell:
>
>     guix shell -C -m manifest.scm --expose=…

Nice example. I do the same: "guix shell" in every rule. Then I add
stuff to my Snakefile, which is a Python script after all. For example,
I import pandas to read a data frame from which I construct my workflow.
Now I am at the point where I'd like to run snakemake itself in a
container, to manage the dependencies of my Snakefile. In fact, given
that I have workflows that depend on specific Snakemake versions, I'd
really like to run Snakemake in a container all the time, even without
additional dependencies.

Without nested containers, I have to go through all the rules, collect
the packages from their manifest files (or command line), and add them
to the container in which I run the whole workflow. Possible, but not
convenient.

Another example: I run command-line programs from my Pharo image, and I
have developed the habit of doing this always through Guix. The
advantage is that my Pharo code becomes portable: it depends on Guix,
but not on my profile.

But if I want, one day, to move on to a full Guix system, I have to run
Pharo in a container with LFS simulation. And then all my command line
shell-outs will break.

Both examples are about composing tools freely, without worrying if they
use Guix internally or now.

Cheers,
  Konrad


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-18  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-03 16:52 Using Guix inside a Guix container Konrad Hinsen
2023-02-03 17:35 ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-02-13 11:21 ` James Thomas
2023-02-13 12:35   ` Jim
2023-02-15  9:49   ` Konrad Hinsen
2023-02-17 15:41     ` Simon Tournier
2023-02-18  9:21       ` Konrad Hinsen [this message]
2023-03-13 12:52         ` Simon Tournier
2023-02-21 22:50 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-02-27 14:27   ` Konrad Hinsen

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