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From: Konrad Hinsen <konrad.hinsen@fastmail.net>
To: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Cc: Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>, 38529@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#38529: Make --ad-hoc the default for guix environment proposed deprecation mechanism
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:43:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1pngmrmst.fsf@khs-macbook.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3okZ0Fw=02cDwdn5GuiDCyUNOUY=YaGyrFyHE5qWsOQTLASQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Simon,

> Maybe I miss a point. It is not: "watch out, this will do something
> else in the future" but "watch out, this was doing something else in
> the past and the change happened the <date> in <commit>".

Concrete example: I am writing a tutorial about using Guix for
reproducible research. It shows several uses of "guix environment", some
of them without '–add-hoc' or '–inputs-of'. I know my examples will
cease to work in a few months. What am I supposed to do about this?

> First, I am not convinced that there is not so much scripts that will
> be broken. And second, I am not convinced neither that these very
> scripts need time-traveling.

Perhaps it's just me, but I use "guix environment" quite a lot in
scripts, in order to make them more reproducible. Here's a simple
example:

   #!/usr/bin/env bash
   guix environment --container --ad-hoc gcc-toolchain <<EOF
   gcc pi.c -o pi
   ./pi
   EOF
 
>> The first rule of backwards-compatibility is: never change the meaning
>> of an existing valid command/API. Add new valid syntax, deprecate old
>> valid syntax, but don't change the meaning of something that was and
>> will be valid.
>
> I agree on the rule.
> But it is mitigated but the number of users and the popularity of the tool. ;-)

Indeed!

> Yes, it is probably the most adequate to do. But it is sad to loose
> the good name "guix environment"... and we know that naming is hard.
> ;-)

I definitely agree. As a lesson for the future, maybe we should use
not-so-nice names for new commands during a kind of beta-testing phase.

Cheers,
  Konrad

  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-18  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <CAJ3okZ3WnG87m=jQw08M9ER+=9FS0NVx=uALHK_-4LuD50KhvA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-12 11:23   ` Make --ad-hoc the default for guix environment proposed deprecation mechanism Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-12 16:47     ` bug#38529: " zimoun
2019-12-12 20:54       ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-13 12:02         ` zimoun
2019-12-13 16:27           ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-13 16:32             ` zimoun
2019-12-13 16:41               ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-14 18:11               ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-12-16 22:09             ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-17  6:49               ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-12-17  9:14                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-17 13:33                   ` Kyle Meyer
2019-12-17 14:22                     ` Brett Gilio
2019-12-17 22:30                   ` Bengt Richter
2019-12-17 23:21                     ` Bengt Richter
2019-12-17 17:07                 ` zimoun
2019-12-18  9:43                   ` Konrad Hinsen [this message]
2019-12-18 13:09                     ` zimoun
2019-12-20 11:24                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-12-20 12:03                         ` zimoun
2019-12-20 21:08                           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-23  9:28                             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2020-01-02  9:49                             ` Andy Wingo
2019-12-18 20:55                     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-19 11:30                       ` zimoun
2019-12-19 21:39                         ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-19 22:40                           ` zimoun
2019-12-20  1:37                             ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-20 11:40                               ` zimoun
2019-12-20 23:02                                 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-21  0:04                                   ` zimoun
2019-12-20 21:12                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-21 15:18                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-12-19 16:31                 ` Deprecating ‘guix environment’? Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-19 22:48                   ` zimoun
2019-12-20 11:17                   ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-12-20 13:21                     ` zimoun

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