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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622534243; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=gIN0pL0ABTBFKzQ0C36lz1arNE2NF/GOTvkGS/QSnwI=; b=AHXt0fQ1p/vcNduYkFtyV7x+kRsd7xrKBtwGXapRqAkfm4pk+Z+FwwoSM0rEaZukJOKUMQ wpxYxAdA+0sLOe5sLRS51166A2p8K+imOg++lp0KSI6lYKEw05vhbGc58nhFGUYygNVAc7 0g0md7Hbc8itaIqXcPIPSaXGYZH95XGXMyhMu39FusnP58jOQf8eQQ2FOvfvc8kWYb0bJc QNDGCWs1B8hHmMc5CjGnoC8a6UNIGoFrerAsr5PITcTXhTPFQMkx9cFpBZCeh3kDISesM/ 3PPicXL2+XG96HKDwNRYCzlrt5pzMITTnoYvCM0aNXlDAwofewOLg9bl/ekPQg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622534243; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=k9lB6wyDfQWlgu9NdWvtjvVZHTPIZJK+1ZqnpqR3BrE/xXXr3vlul4l2wUjy8TjwVVifn3 NJTVpohrEwMSfHf6ToN5+l4YzmJEQ3eTTytHgG482dZ0RqQ+rNks01d4Q+HRPQ4OeTXVbM 5AxvOFZLi0sT202cInYhw0xLVj3OJCQPMrcR+eHeEQyKSRMnG83Ym1kWXa4VLJsVSOPt1V m2dzfs4ihz68RUnFOyddH02S89/bTFNwjVxOh76UCN8VWiUH7HnztBlgqnX1nXVCp5+skq zxIEcb1vBVOcR4n9NZ6ynV1f7j0r1IqKP815lgsbxfLQl0+0/NZ5mZZKIs95mQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=fastmail.net header.s=fm3 header.b=XWge7BAL; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="sKRYg14/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=fastmail.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=fastmail.net header.s=fm3 header.b=XWge7BAL; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="sKRYg14/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=fastmail.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 040E316550 X-Spam-Score: -1.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: eYOdes0FvwPc Hi Pjotr, > I have a feeling they won't be that interested ;). Depends on who and when. My idea is not to send them a mail saying, "look, we have a great idea, you should us it!". It's rather to open issues on their build systems to suggest features and actually help with the implementations. Good old proselytism ;-) It's a long-term strategy, not a quick fix project. > Industry appears to go the other way. There are several initiatives to > speed up Rust through caching and storing compiled items in the > cloud(?!). Then it's time to intervene before it's too late ;-) There is a clear momentum building up for reproducibility. Few people argue nowadays that it doesn't matter. It's more like "would be nice, but it's too difficult/complicated". That's where Guix can help: as a demonstration of possibility. And once your builds are reproducible, you can safely cache them in the cloud! The next message to get across is the need for cross-language build systems. The idea of one language, one platform doesn't work any more. Real software systems need to mix languages, even runtimes. And it's not just X + C any more either. Again, Guix serves as the proof of concept, even for people who dislike some specific implementation aspect of Guix. Cheers, Konrad.