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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.21 X-Spam-Score: -3.21 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5F49A6414F X-TUID: PdRnK8imdeqr --nnu7umzdtrerlxep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Dear Guix, >=20 > I've just blown up Guix's debbugs by opening (and then closing) 33 bugs > instead of sending a 33-commits patch series. >=20 > I've also seen that there is a huge discussion on the cognitive overhead > of contributing. I will read it as soon as I can spare more time on this. >=20 > I find git email's workflow extremely frustrating and confusing. I know > it works for most of you who actually commit, but I would like to point > out that I'm one more person to be tripped by its complexity, and who > cares enough to say so here. There are probably even more people who > don't speak up. I have done that too, but I think the problem is caused by debbugs, not by git send-email. > Therefore, there is a huge cost in keeping up using it: less people will > be able to provide patches, and software will get stale. >=20 > For example, ou current Go version is 1.17 ! From 2021 ! The current is > 1.21. I suspect that if contributing was easier, we wouldn't have a 2 > years delay in our versions. I don't think so, because we are already getting more contributions than are getting reviewed. If contributions were easier to send but reviewing them wouldn't change we'd just have that 2 years of delay in applying the patches. > [...] > > Before anybody tries to explain to me that git send-email is easier than > I think, what you have to beat is: > git remote add guix-patches WHATEVER #only once > git push -u guix-patches master:some-unique-name >=20 > You can then push, pull, rebase, whatever, from the command line (or > magit in my case), without leaving your dev context. Can't be easier > than that. It would be possible to have a git send-email -based workflow that would look something like this: $ git clone ... [ make changes ] $ git send-email origin/master [ get feedback, edit and rebase ] $ git send-email origin/master --in-reply-to=3Dmsgid [ repeat ] We could even have a script that would submit changes and with that the workflow could be as simple as: $ git clone ... $ ./script new [ make changes ] $ ./script send [ get feedback, edit and rebase ] $ ./script send [ repeat ] The problem is not using email, it is that the tooling we currently have or recommend requires doing more manual and error-prone steps than is actually necessary. --nnu7umzdtrerlxep Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEoMkZR3NPB29fCOn/JX0oSiodOjIFAmUC1EcACgkQJX0oSiod OjKphBAAtM9GgWvPw++tYBcSKHDhQmhPYDkkNWe1Kq9k9riwSn+BRelx4tB/Tsep 8H9HD8J6KnJo17263x0O8EsTJIZG+hAQQfQqAhph5DedEW78xB4VrctR9EC42x2A ibMnDmlur1TqZ/DnEfVTDcd//yorKeRSS+O2ptLs66PAJnLL75dlmZw9c2NSwfLv 618Ux2fMKKmYPIV1ENOPzYCd/U1NquSzGQPGJU/jgcN2HLlMfPnhf/Q7/Nry/gp9 SVtQVktN3q5bvaGZXe5gGL9sHuXH9R47KsKvWUDGDPJsxFZ0ghv62o3auF/SZA+b HfYlSESDomq8lShYwXN1yGtm9ujvIO3jWVwiTgYX+x8tuV4iLKNyYehCUbn1H7zc g6PGy8gLxTnLCreGm9SgdiXBQpp0RXGPQIp+Ir5+lxddThBPHNhfUaSeWj7UrjpA joIR91Du2VT3FBn4mzDbqXv8lV3DahihHMQlncUVCIHrqAZXTMg93vkl6RSBjXzg tjGJSLIdeaZQ2gy3JmUom/NL20lSwxW3+SNDoQAknxkFJHBhRFNIjaRPSSrtYMrf YNYk3VKKl9bE7UZs311CyFyikRlKzx5fDThXPeGK7PMhA4PJHHGOq9lWYPoVit8D vpVOQW2/vYtZoi9al9vTNZeuyNDZZaa3VwMVSXLyS0mYagWaqqc= =zeGv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nnu7umzdtrerlxep--