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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" , Liliana Marie Prikler Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1637813035; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Sg1Gz1hi7hItReKNeWIH9FpHeOVx8pPuSuDYkjNOHJo=; b=JPRdpjALQlcUyk8i4i1uA2soo5Oh+NY7tEZG7ly9teJdSz31HnZelI2OvvNL/vTRJvwKws A+OaVFeqEGOQZZY1ogAtLoX+BwAMFQubu1WhTCnZ4t9Hrju5Vg+no7HJcmfISP8s0IEPZP kBw2FY8+av2w/I8udNoSmoTQV1HbddSE3fxWH668sYD7B2UEyPPJD5Lewla5XY1tOkzcDq IjzN6WxoHquDBVoWYU9/ItrAJY/L6DRrbuz7l1IHVfy7e4W8SZNipjDvmtxm94yYuVdwIz HRhLKBopraB9YyR8whegvrM72g28WZm9MbVUtht4fpgIj3Rd5Fv0Sb5x7YuEOg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1637813035; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qAZCeLlRu5iAOIzTG/1qDZBUjohty9mp7j180t2RexRxxwApSP1Eyo48p/N+u73xWuksKL QA/qs1erNZSoG2xnD0sXLtmNfVszTLwbHaYa3pTIFnYAtEwPD9P7f387DPGlMXjD1pqm6p N3aY+t2lfYw/sjcO4pEq72cQ9LZBlrb36MT4XgJUOA3Fyy0l09o51Y19Wg1Zc2mBhwdq9R l3sJusNMcLjqMMHqq1o+qKJeHuMTp7fyoK8ksqmkfNFuOjzsJSWbjMbFt/OXq0ch2N7WDD Net7aPKnwOPewzXBQgbC0yw2xlSdK4PxI/7Nvuyucr4IViDIpUyX7tbtl+Vc/Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=rixotstudio.cz header.s=protonmail2 header.b=nXfjc1he; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=rixotstudio.cz (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.79 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=rixotstudio.cz header.s=protonmail2 header.b=nXfjc1he; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=rixotstudio.cz (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 747ED32793 X-Spam-Score: -3.79 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: RqhQrT3mswQs This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------9791ca89c3c246e6d51398d4d3c94801fde2be6d6b854d4c54f1e0fc7387a2e7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------d1234135e9c39aa88c790102385d3309 -----------------------d1234135e9c39aa88c790102385d3309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Make it clear it's an estimate, or maybe even abstract away the time units= so that there is no expectation of any particular time. -- Vagrant My theory is designed with tolerance of <5 min with max tolerance of =3D10= min with methods that I am confident will get us within <30 sec assuming = sufficient amount of data to construct the variables. -- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original M= essage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Wednesday, November 24th, 2021 at 8:23 PM, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > On 2021-11-24, zimoun wrote: > = > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 18:50, Julien Lepiller julien@lepiller.eu wrote= : > > = > > > Do we even care that much about accuracy? I don't really care that t= he > > > = > > > build takes 30 or 31 seconds, or even 1 minute, but I certainly care > > > = > > > whether it takes 30s or 3h. I think this is also what SBUs give you:= a > > > = > > > rough estimate of which build is longer than the other. I think a > > > = > > > simple proportionality relation would work well enough in most commo= n > > > = > > > cases. It might be quite off on a super computer, but who cares, > > > = > > > really? > > = > > What if it takes 3h and the prediction says 2h? > = > Those sound about "the same" for any kind of reasonable expectation... > = > I would guess you only want the correct order of magnitude... hours, > = > minutes, days, weeks, months, years... or maybe quick, fast, slow, > = > painful. > = > I do this soft of fuzzy estimation all the time when working on > = > Reproducible Builds in Debian; look at the past test history to get a > = > rough estimate of how long I might expect a build to take. This helps > = > me decide if I should start a build and get a $COFFEE, do some > = > $SWORDFIGHTING on the $OFFICECHAIRS, or sit and watch the progress bar > = > so I don't loose the mental state working on the problem becuase it will > = > be done $SOON. > = > Make it clear it's an estimate, or maybe even abstract away the time > = > units so that there is no expectation of any particular time. > = > I know there are people who would love to get a a value that was > = > consistently right but to be useful it only needs an estimate to be > = > mostly not completely wrong. At least to me. :) > = > live well, > = > vagrant -----------------------d1234135e9c39aa88c790102385d3309 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; filename="publickey - kreyren@rixotstudio.cz - 0x1677DB82.asc"; name="publickey - kreyren@rixotstudio.cz - 0x1677DB82.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="publickey - kreyren@rixotstudio.cz - 0x1677DB82.asc"; name="publickey - kreyren@rixotstudio.cz - 0x1677DB82.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgUFVCTElDIEtFWSBCTE9DSy0tLS0tDQpWZXJzaW9uOiBPcGVuUEdQLmpz IHY0LjEwLjEwDQpDb21tZW50OiBodHRwczovL29wZW5wZ3Bqcy5vcmcNCg0KeGpNRVlBbDNGaFlK S3dZQkJBSGFSdzhCQVFkQVFLQXBtZFI4dEc5YUtFZHh3SEovWktPMkN2Wk1SV1B0DQpCTk5HcUpV aHAyTE5MMnR5WlhseVpXNUFjbWw0YjNSemRIVmthVzh1WTNvZ1BHdHlaWGx5Wlc1QWNtbDQNCmIz UnpkSFZrYVc4dVkzbyt3bzhFRUJZS0FDQUZBbUFKZHhZR0N3a0hDQU1DQkJVSUNnSUVGZ0lCQUFJ Wg0KQVFJYkF3SWVBUUFoQ1JDdDAzMFVxMEw4cVJZaEJCWjMyNEtUaktobGM0RWpCNjNUZlJTclF2 eXA1N1FBDQovMHRsYmRuQ0l6cmVLWG12VzJYU1lYekFKb3RKZHhDekUrWEFUTStxUERLekFRQ2Ni SHA3eXc2K0FybmcNCmVTdEdGbi9vbGh4VFBkcHU2NDFDTEdpZ1BtRW9CYzQ0QkdBSmR4WVNDaXNH QVFRQmwxVUJCUUVCQjBEYQ0KaUkzalFmU29pM0RaNC9OZm14R2RzUnN2OS9CcU1nVzVqNmpkQnFr eUlBTUJDQWZDZUFRWUZnZ0FDUVVDDQpZQWwzRmdJYkRBQWhDUkN0MDMwVXEwTDhxUlloQkJaMzI0 S1RqS2hsYzRFakI2M1RmUlNyUXZ5cEhjRUINCkFPUXhTL0ovVU0wZWU4azJqYmxpV2QvUTBJZCtY OFVIQlhoeXFWUmMyMnFyQVFETEhjVzk3V1FiU0pGbw0KMTlrd3Q3ME95SGVwRjZMV3BERDBQdUlT WkQ2SUNnPT0NCj05a1pnDQotLS0tLUVORCBQR1AgUFVCTElDIEtFWSBCTE9DSy0tLS0tDQo= -----------------------d1234135e9c39aa88c790102385d3309-- --------9791ca89c3c246e6d51398d4d3c94801fde2be6d6b854d4c54f1e0fc7387a2e7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKAAYFAmGfCwQAIQkQrdN9FKtC/KkWIQQWd9uCk4yoZXOBIwet030U q0L8qaFcAP9i+hIW6ascRP2zNzCs/WwJbw3XJ7KOa6Wt+uw8QluIrAD5AM+G H3f7yYzCstEaTPNF5uQ7DvqCW1dbBUUMnsk96g0= =39rG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------9791ca89c3c246e6d51398d4d3c94801fde2be6d6b854d4c54f1e0fc7387a2e7--