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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645382823; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Fj98Xb4hbGiEU+ZKlrNNaiUBH8bhixBs0kF+h7RbGv4=; b=Kk71HHu/rTovUVK2wKtBK739EqvIBzfIa9HcJMMKAakG2II0orgYSzFbK4xRKAiI1uclIO Bg915m5TDekdFGOFiPOEGapXFTc7P6YO2W4rm525BQQyXypXAPRS1J8PYahOLY5M0bZPzk yHK0INVWpm1Z4m1gY32Qz0Z12lkMOqX8E3m0WSY6JplcSibw7X4kbyVWpP+RoQUpRjwg4K e8jH1j365N5wSHB9PooiUQr5X972n2I2S0oET/3kAHeO55cLQ+6eK36h2yANkqs7vIc6n+ 7MINrroNTghbiCHrna62IA83hbsx6rdh6srbNDN9NP+WM/dkM8KI/034QfkX2Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645382823; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RtGU61u8EoyaBACUpiDBvk6ArYHkBlcWRhKx+N3LHeRgyxrseX3k4q4jMEtUZRwwwPM5g3 +jndvnbuLtn1gJdBb4yb58yPS/7gyYOQcuOclkGTlSx6nAlWa5I6TWCFjVmGyzdPFPqUlF rZ+DABKZ0heLLCiZJwaplhhp+Kq6hNmPqZzZyzTDx4yHICfwLxFJKQlgRqI9xyG9+rc4fS EMe3XvH83pgIgKRC2EJa0P69CrL8lj7hLNHx6pA44vtZqAW+1koWI8FRSW3LT0HOobcMUj GlEhvNHf6/j3c0XH97ddaXOgagZV9LwLmPwuc66tlT0FtImsQ8QbjUq2N0qn6w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=JhNvHPKo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.03 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=JhNvHPKo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 02DE43852A X-Spam-Score: -5.03 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: KmQCx08uNHvL --=-PI1uEfm/NE0HWezPD2rZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 19:05 [+0100]: > > Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include it > > because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where they > > don't acknowledge that humans actually have a sex. I hope the Guix > > maintainers are more reasonable than that. :-) > Sorry, but tracking down the issue you submitted towards the > contributor covenant, it appears to me that you are the misguided > one. > The CoC already prohibits discrimination based on gender identity, > sexual identity and sexual orientation. If you identify your gender > as > your sex, whatever that might be, you are thereby already protected. >=20 > The wording you chose (intentionally or otherwise) tries to > invalidate > other people's gender identity and thus violates the CoC. Ignoring upstream's context and whether Taylan Kammer is misguided or not, listing sex among the list could be useful if a potential harasser H who understands the difference between sex and gender and knows that V has sex A not corresponding to gender B under current social convention, and H would harass V over their sex (but H is fine with V's gender). To me, this seems a rather contrived scenario though ... 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