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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1626347267; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=f3UhMNeNBn1C8E9IxD/7Xf3vk6Wgk2QUyyjjAWGCrVw=; b=P8gQEveZC4cFBz2TcWxFw0FWE1M5h3EsKdofNzUE6++qXpkECcnmZ9NGg+MrAhCVDQm0W8 yIHrLUX2kml7O6O9RNjCNXJwjoEfMIoJSnK9LikUcBuhxpxl7mZVjZWvpCs2MFIxsEmCkO M/X5T4O1KxN1lTvCaYh0+9YHpxtm1SzQ4aknsvfCk55L5vPnGdB6w+tGqwOBzCu/nh+Ddg 2G0vjdEVrbBmCHrW1v0C1Zs49c0GBVHdB3Sa9HVR+juE97ETmTrzCOF77qPogvqNNp/Uql A/qc5uuPjiPwZp2Uuf7Gl5Cakq73Xrx47BwMVaIg+wZ9I6cvtqaY5HJ32P0rkA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1626347267; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ev+3aC2aOL4SNNX52rwY1xyvko6vZdIxnhBULFsrgAfdeBlhlM4CPEq3TwYLrmYg0Adp5l FMKsByAC72/FTXj2W7pFanShJ3tzHST8XYMwxAhaOTw+VHNE9Q92X6NdwMrxK0vAjLONA4 k6xRqseqQe6dbTJG+RTPgXG0bNZP7HB4tFEKPnrYVMuaW9FNvMZ8OKX+Oun9DfKc8yuK+Z /voqGLKYmnKVpPl9pDsVOYktL9UH9hD4dRW4xMgl2595Y2edSHEL/EgiGThtu9I4wjJcal s4aA7NLmyDmlfnbEQa+oMuH54QcTkiLTzEWXIf8DywNU0KWJfbGOz00HUpUyig== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=KAA0XmKI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.10 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=KAA0XmKI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 552A8BC1A X-Spam-Score: -3.10 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: CELd9WsPooxG Am Mittwoch, den 14.07.2021, 09:57 -0400 schrieb Bone Baboon: > [...] > > In this response to the pull request I submitted about the > questionable files in the cowsay repository > < > https://github.com/tnalpgge/rank-amateur-cowsay/pull/4#issuecomment-878092487 > > > apjanke is requesting feedback. > > > If there are any actual IP lawyers, relevant IP owners, or > > distributions who redistribute cowsay who would like to weigh in on > > this, I'd definitely like to hear what you have to say. > > For those who want to respond to apjanke but do not have or do not > want to use a GitHub account I can link this email thread in the > discussion about the pull request. I am not an IP lawyer, nor do I own any of said characters, but I'd like to point out that not all jurisdictions follow the US model. In Germany for example, you can (in the near future/already?) not use more than 160 characters of copyrighted material -- granted, the cowfiles are shorter than that, but copyright law is troubling over here in Europe nonetheless. Furthermore: > Given that this is a noncommercial work [...] [a]nd they're [the > characters] not being sold I don't think applies to free as in the case of freedom distributions like Trisquel or Guix. A non-commercial clause would be a violation of the GPL, the very license cowsay is distributed under. As the author of cowsay, apjanke could very well ship such characters with it (unless they themselves also happen to use GPL'd software as dependency in which they'd be violating that GPL), but unless they can pass on the freedom to distribute those cows *under the terms of the GPL*, no one else can either, which would make distributing cowsay with those characters illegal 1. under trademark law 2. under the terms of the GPL Clearly, copyright law in 2021 is not broken at all :^) Regards, Leo