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[109.90.125.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u5-20020a170906780500b006d0b99162casm1244546ejm.114.2022.02.25.09.29.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:29:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:29:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.1 Subject: Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4) Content-Language: en-US To: Blake Shaw , zimoun References: <8735k7560k.fsf@nonconstructivism.com> From: Taylan Kammer In-Reply-To: <8735k7560k.fsf@nonconstructivism.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:1450:4864:20::62a (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::62a; envelope-from=taylan.kammer@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x62a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.659, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; none X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: qrZ0NcHBzkfT On 25.02.2022 16:18, Blake Shaw wrote: > zimoun writes: > > My position remains unchanged: our codes of conduct should do everything > possible to be as inclusive as and open to peoples of marginalized > groups that are discriminated against. White cis men shouldn't be in > charge of deciding whats best for these people. > > As far as I can see, not a single woman has come forward to say that > proposed CoC amendments would benefit or protect them in any way. In > fact the opposite is the case: two have come forward to say that this > appears as ploy by men to debate their gender and experience. > > Why are white men so insistent on making changes that would supposedly > increase inclusivity, despite those from marginalized backgrounds saying > the opposite is the case here? > > Until a fem contributor comes forward to say that they feel changes > to the current CoC would bring about some tangible protection to them, > it seems to me that this discourse is a case of the dominant white cis > males making changes to "protect women" without the consent of women, > which has never fared well in history. > > So with that said, I think decisions concerning women should be left to > women (all women!) to decide. > > ez, > b > I'm a visibly middle-eastern person living in Germany, and I'm not cisgender. Not that it matters. The worldview I've wished for the CoC to respect, in addition to those it already respects, is one that comes from a long line of feminist scholars and activists. The inclusion of 'sex' in the CoC would be to recognize the issues faced by female-born people. As far as I'm aware, no female-born person has taken part in the discussion at all, because none seem to exist in the community. (What a coincidence.) Anyhow, Zimoun's proposal is merely to update the CoC to upstream, which continues to be authored by a transwoman, if that matters. -- Taylan