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From: Svante Signell <svante.signell@gmail.com>
To: psmith@gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Guix-devel <Guix-devel@gnu.org>, gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org
Subject: Re: (Really) Free Software future
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:52:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e6ee4fa1bbd22cbc8dae4e81447609a8a94e0c32.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bdaa8b2a6c9c1b3c23992352144b3ea0194a9e3f.camel@gnu.org>

On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Perhaps we should divide free software into two groups: 1) Really
> > free software where Freedom 1 applies and 2) not-so-free software
> > where Freedom 1 does no longer applies.
> > 
> > Here gnome and systemd are in the second kind.
> 
> Both GNOME and systemd are fully free software that support all four
> freedoms, including freedom 1.

Still, I think we need to differentiate between Really Free Software
and Not-So-Free Software. Maybe even to add one more freedom: For
example adding a, non-commercial, non-lock-in, non-proprietary, *NIX
and KISS-friendly, clause. Software development is nowadays too vendor
driven (and purposely made complicated), ruling out contributions from
people not employed by companies working full-time. 

> > Especially systemd, even if GPLed, is currently swallowing most of
> > free software excluding large groups of people to make
> > contributions.
> 
> Neither excluding upstream contributions nor "swallowing" other free
> software projects violate any of the four freedoms.
> 
> As long as you are able to run the program, access the source code,
> modify the source code as you like, and distribute both the original
> and your modifications to others, then your freedoms are preserved.

See above. A redefinition of free software is really needed,
independent of RMS being leader of GNU or not. And funding for Really
Free Software can be steered by FSF towards the goal of Really Free
Software, leaving non-complying companies out of funding. (whoever will
take the lead of FSF after RMS).

I'd really like RMS to reply on these issues, adding him to this email
recipients too.

Thanks!

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-14 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <1c9dc59c-0594-6921-73e8-b173e558b5c3@vapaa.xyz>
2019-10-10  2:37   ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Jean Louis
2019-10-10 11:39     ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 12:14       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]       ` <A1FC0648-04C9-4125-90E5-A4ED6E69128E@gnu.support>
2019-10-10 12:39         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
     [not found]         ` <5zkw22sb.321942@gmail.com>
2019-10-10 17:48           ` Jean Louis
     [not found]           ` <32731221-C09D-4E6B-8642-1600A5D56E64@gnu.support>
2019-10-10 20:29             ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 21:02               ` Jean Louis
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2019-10-12  9:19                       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 13:05                         ` Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system
2019-10-13 23:43                           ` Alexandre François Garreau
2019-10-14  6:53                           ` František Kučera
2019-10-14  7:46                             ` Reminder to keep posts on topic Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-14 15:17                               ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-14 16:14                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 16:18       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 16:44     ` ng0
2019-10-10 22:23       ` Reminder to remain civil Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-11 15:14       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Ruben Safir
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2019-10-14 10:07                 ` (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, Svante Signell
2019-10-14 15:26                   ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 16:13                   ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 16:52                     ` Svante Signell [this message]
2019-10-14 18:16                       ` (Really) Free Software future Paul Smith
2019-10-14 18:32                         ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 18:59                           ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 19:18                             ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:35                             ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-14 20:49                               ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-19 23:00                                 ` (Really) Free Software future in the light of systemd Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-21 17:58                                   ` Jean Louis
2019-12-15  3:23                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 19:11                           ` (Really) Free Software future Paul Smith
2019-10-14 19:22                             ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:11                         ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15  2:41                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 19:56                             ` Svante Signell
2019-10-15 20:31                               ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15 21:00                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16  6:00                               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 18:40                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16 18:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-18  3:10                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 18:42                       ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-15  9:07                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
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     [not found]     ` <4828739.2SfjHLgCXR@pc-713>
2019-10-12 11:37       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Jean Louis

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