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From: Hartmut Goebel <h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Packaging a free Firefox
Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e6dca416-9348-651e-bcc9-21b73282d806@crazy-compilers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878t8xo9t9.fsf@gnu.org>

Am 06.05.2018 um 03:24 schrieb Mike Gerwitz:
> On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 19:06:27 -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
>> I have noticed somepeople advocating for packaging Firefox in GNU Guix,
>> and since FF still has freedom issues, I see it as a no-go.
> A simple option for now is to package FF by disabling those features and
> _not_ providing an alternative.  For example, IceCat loads a different
> addon page than FF; we could just load no addon page at all, or a static
> one saying that it's something'll we'll get to eventually.

Not packaging FF or crippling FF is a no-go! Doing so will discourage
users from using GuixSD and Free Software.

You will defeat your supporters, those who want to go the
free-software-route. But you will not change the world, since your
supporters have to carry the can, and the vendors, who are causing the
problems, will be untouched. This is the same as not providing
proprietary firmware in libre-linux.

If you want to make the world a better place, you may decide to live
vegan. And if you expect everybody to become vegan, you will reach less
than if you try to convince people to start with eating less or no meat.

Having strong opinions and working towards them is the one side.
Convincing people is the other side.

Followup-to: alt.religion.free-software,

-- 
Regards
Hartmut Goebel

| Hartmut Goebel          | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com               |
| www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-06  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-02 21:06 Packaging a free Firefox Clément Lassieur
2018-05-02 21:10 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-03  5:00   ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03  5:06     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03  5:09     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 14:29       ` next browser (was: Packaging a free Firefox) Jack Hill
2018-05-03 14:35         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-03 20:23           ` Jack Hill
2018-05-04  3:36             ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-09 16:45               ` Pierre Neidhardt
     [not found]                 ` <20180510020041.1e8b3956@uwaterloo.ca>
     [not found]                   ` <87d0y3hije.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04                     ` ajpatter
2018-05-10 14:36                       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-11  5:00                         ` Andy Patterson
2018-05-19 19:26                           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24  9:53                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 14:18                               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 15:33                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-05-24 16:44                                   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-24 20:37                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
     [not found]                     ` <87bmdnhhu8.fsf@gmail.com>
2018-05-10 14:04                       ` ajpatter
2018-05-03  6:06 ` Packaging a free Firefox Chris Marusich
2018-05-03  9:53   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 10:56     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2018-05-11 14:54     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-03 17:59   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-04 14:24     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-04 16:07       ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 16:27       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-05 12:26         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15  7:10       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-15  8:57         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-15 10:13           ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-05-16 17:27             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-15 16:35           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-17 11:28             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-03 19:07   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-03 20:45   ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-12 13:28     ` Clément Lassieur
2018-05-05 22:06 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-06  1:24   ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06  6:01     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-06 13:58       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 16:35         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-06  9:48     ` Hartmut Goebel [this message]
2018-05-06 12:53       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 15:44         ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-16 16:10           ` Tonton
2018-05-16 17:56             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17 11:34               ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-17 13:47                 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 15:10                   ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-17 15:29                     ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-17 17:57                       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-18  4:14                         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21  4:58                           ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-21 20:07                             ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22  4:18                               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-22 19:05                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-07-31  1:51                               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-08-01  0:58                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-21 20:09                           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-22  3:55                             ` Alex Vong
2018-05-18  5:19                 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-18  4:25             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-16 19:07           ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-16 19:54           ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-05-16 20:50             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-17  1:26           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-17  8:21             ` Thorsten Wilms
2018-05-17 11:36             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-05-06 14:05       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-06 15:32         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-06 16:33         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-05-07  0:36           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-05-07  6:42             ` jah
2018-05-07 16:30           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-08  8:36             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-08  0:06           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-08  0:20       ` Mark H Weaver

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