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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.92 X-Spam-Score: -5.92 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 469FA53043 X-TUID: RrxzuCKFgMxG Hi all, I've been thinking on a plan to address this old NFS question. The plan: 1. Allow the file-system `dependencies' field to accept arbitrary shepherd symbols as well. This can be done by having the `dependency->shepherd-service-name' in (gnu services base) also accept matching against a symbol object. 2. Allow excluding some file-system objects from being dependencies of the `file-systems' shepherd service. This is to avoid a cycle scenario where a (NFS) mount requires 'networking (that depends on 'file-systems) which in turn requires a mount on some device that has the credentials stored for the network connection. Another scenario to consider is loop mounts. WDYT? -- Furthermore, I consider that nonfree software must be eradicated. Cheers, Bruno.