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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645356701; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=EFbVXyLgLU4L2j45KEDcSoqfxhGXeZhby6djVXUU70A=; b=nldIeF1IRnU3Y+APMRGVJw8HXCDg9wkT20iDg3+/JgU7S9T/tXdW01ueTwD13ibdoA1cWz wSs8ASOzDOKLTESPQ+fQvsiGHnnwUgLwYuGMZNR1aDR43RNWdYnmVKRIeFNshCMVg3Zor1 vn4K0rB5lJf/Y7JNmrdt6i3HwL0X8bjPGiOyM0agyL8y65ppkctv3O2ECu4Ui7gi4jDikB 7W/X/FE9IbDNe5M/re2wHyOdTk3aEP5JNPtkv5dphog5dF55WmK6j3NUdOhqxD6TBPPNiI lMeD69lIMCrps/jifBrbUx02JAv1T8IGXoMgu06hQ2ZeM4kgAuEq8kDGbHIipA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645356701; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kDUmqWMbbT3vNq6OuLZOQn/Ea8TYqhXljAN7oJQsuSuRN6jScKe8by/JHslP/M+K4xtUYf tHFgqlpJ4bdSndE6R75ebzWtEWUz/vJ1/ab2CAYWOdLAtd6TIeo/hSUut0v5Ea8yFuXGig cRofeLrla27dh2UaaRrkBpP/gnzJuGN8Q/MYt/ai4VFD8scnmgXppulE/DyU5zNOi3+uMY ydmc3HttkQJnG6P4+3PfpVb7fPobUV8pKb+IL1fmraYZQYMRycJIaDcKtWtkbCs8/wj05o gfE5fdKn77mt346ScH8bEGgnQDaYkpZibT5kmbScRIwH0dct/9Hw10xN/qVo8Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=becze.org header.s=dkim header.b=U9KdwZm0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=becze.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.03 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=becze.org header.s=dkim header.b=U9KdwZm0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=becze.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A6508235F9 X-Spam-Score: -3.03 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: YaVmzk2fko+E This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DuILKk15yv3LPckEXC3NxrVt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't consider mining to be wastefully and this is a extremely=20 subjective opinion. It should be a users choose whether or not they want=20 to mine. A corner stone of free software is "(0) The freedom to run the=20 program as you wish, for whatever purpose." By limiting what is=C2=A0=20 accessible to the user based an arbitrary, authoritarian and=20 controversial morality goes against the nature of free software. Martin On 2/20/22 11:48, Tobias Platen wrote: > Yes, bitcoin could be considered malware. There is GNU Taler which is > more efficent. Unfortunately Taler has not started yet, there is no > working exchange at the moment. > > Tobias > > --------------DuILKk15yv3LPckEXC3NxrVt Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't consider mining to be wastefully and this is a extremely subjective opinion. It should be a users choose whether or not they want to mine. A corner stone of free software is "(0) The freedom to run the program as you wish, for whatever purpose." By limiting what is=C2=A0 accessible to the user based an arbitrary= , authoritarian and controversial morality goes against the nature of free software.

Martin

On 2/20/22 11:48, Tobias Platen wrote:= 
Yes, bitcoin could be consid=
ered malware. There is GNU Taler which is
more efficent. Unfortunately Taler has not started yet, there is no
working exchange at the moment.=20

Tobias
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