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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617149215; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=O9BPWfR0/yvAs/4fFgBM6HrWE6AvjhZcq8jPfVEteEk=; b=Xy8oX+uhSfvEn1vdJQHDCffkRJS3Vz7w3mQd3vskCBGq+FEy62C0gcdB8m6D53bJxVJEqi 52wuaKeO96WWogj6B5bnLjFspuUW93RfM8d8CrGSEFCJIOSMtMtHxWV8o5XR+l78NMJ8W0 wyZ8evsvoUrduKBpwJBIywt5OQNDsSwFE/GUqx6LepAtTWq4rajHx8RAMDZLh0nUM3W8l+ bwAtSqFA2TeHJEjmQ6dGDnJUShunVniSvDyYcT6NSzPP2lsdsEJaAlJs8h00Oa258a3e8h 4pw6S7NtBVKPgZ6mf5DnPUNkVZYyI2gsK3h4WTDIn6b0ewB8PFfjPTvxEC31Wg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617149215; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=VxNQgUyIGS9Eb028ZPCujvOoHi5golfIg28fCTym8y4Xvu6fQQbQyK8F097rH4dwS2u2Zi DWp/KYCwhU6fXLH8P+455mgZ3kvOZDmoOzyl+qJznVOHiwGTdAb0mh6H2p9KvCUtmw9YDK uFbQfxqBkcXXAWXgk5/C9KRPmALNw4Rr7NBh5pd4eQbhB6fS9qdJweqMc8gIox069Ld4up u4siTa2BsYBWHNR8ClD0ikSTTzSL6ogDcufZaTAU2giMaUJWQMmrWMsEHzn9eyAjoksRVt NykipHb3voC/o/L1S6LhZMVlK8M0f4+ebLLCuEIC6XFNLCN3roDuOt+vhXWOjw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=HRxhozkK; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=HRxhozkK; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4A9E7164F4 X-Spam-Score: -5.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 6gkTHTuLRiK2 --=-wlykvRkRFYyY6AVND+bA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 14:12 +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > I respectfully think you misunderstand the review process. Review is > about sharing responsibilities and reducing the likelihood of > mistakes. >=20 > It=E2=80=99s crucial from many different perspectives: security-wise, > socially > (the process is transparent, everyone gets a chance to chime in or to > just see what=E2=80=99s cooking), and technically (we all learn and build > better > software, and we reduce the risk that users receive broken software > on > their next =E2=80=98guix pull=E2=80=99). >=20 > The process to get commit access is documented and it revolves around > two criteria: the person must have experience with the project and > must > know the rules. >=20 > That=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Cbureaucracy=E2=80=9D: it=E2=80=99s about buil= ding a community around > mutual > understanding of what each one of us may or may not expect from their > peers. >=20 >=20 > All that said, it=E2=80=99s of course fine to collaborate on external > repositories, even though I agree with Mark that getting =E2=80=9Ccloser= =E2=80=9D to > Guix folks may be profitable to everyone. In the end, work should be > submitted for review, and for a patch set like this, it=E2=80=99ll probab= ly > be a > =E2=80=98wip-=E2=80=99 branch on Savannah. >=20 > Thanks, > Ludo=E2=80=99. I think Mark misrepresents my sayings in their messages. We are ONLY using git to exchange work and collaborate on the patchset with Raghav, how else do you want us to work with Raghav on some git branch on Savannah if Raghav doesnt have commit access? Don't we have the right with Raghav to cooperate together on some patchset however we want? It never meant that review process had to be skipped in ANY way. Only Raghav and myself has showed up to cooperate on GNOME 40 upgrade for now, and that's also why we are doing it this way. I feel bad now that it seems like everyone assumes we are doing things we are not. 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