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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.79 X-Spam-Score: -8.79 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 090723FD88 List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-TUID: I5BoFabGCswh This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------fus0yuTwshkg0CLTDm4ue8M7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------nwix9nFQc90LkshxuyLFzi8K"; protected-headers="v1" From: Ryan Sundberg To: guix-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Oniro or Guix on Zephyr kernel? References: <87wn47vzol.fsf@polidoro.io> <875ybsxwpc.fsf@polidoro.io> <87o7pkxd5j.fsf@riseup.net> <87zg938c8m.fsf@dismail.de> <98cf0d68448c06df4bba4c9211d87faa@dismail.de> <87wn46ud0p.fsf@librem.one> In-Reply-To: --------------nwix9nFQc90LkshxuyLFzi8K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have also used Guix to build a NetBSD image. You can use Guix to build just about any operating system image imaginable with the right amount of practice and patience :) A lot of patience in some cases as you are sure to hit some uncharted territory building whatever it happens to be. Getting the userspace to run is a bigger task, but you can certainly use Guix to build for example an embedded OS image with it's default userspace (not porting the Guix daemon or Shepherd). -- Sincerely, Ryan Sundberg On 2/27/23 11:10 AM, Efraim Flashner wrote: > On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 01:36:06PM -0500, Mitchell Schmeisser via Devel= opment of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote: >> jbranso@dismail.de writes: >> >>>> Guix System, 1 Gig of ram, etc, due to the package builder and Guix/= Nix daemon? If it was possible >>>> to declare an instance of Guix System that did not include those and= only used cross-compiled >>>> packages, could some portion of Guix System function in a similar wa= y as Oniro, or is that a >>>> nonsense question? >> >> What I understand your question to be is "Can we use Guix to describe = an >> embedded operating system which does not run Guix?" and I think the >> answer is probably. I don't think the guix daemon is technically requi= red >> for the shepherd to boot (being the daemon is a shepherd process >> itself). >=20 > I can answer this. I built a one-off Guix image of gparted and it > doesn't have the guix-daemon service included. >=20 >> I don't think it's a good idea because you need the daemon in order to= >> use `guix deploy`. Otherwise you have to make an installation image an= d >> it can become "involved." >=20 > If you were willing to forgo `guix deploy` (and guix install, and reall= y > any package management) and just reflash it every time then the memory > constraints go down to whatever the running programs require. >=20 --------------nwix9nFQc90LkshxuyLFzi8K-- --------------fus0yuTwshkg0CLTDm4ue8M7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsB5BAABCAAjFiEEyVG5Gm1pvFAzyXC2aiMi+MCr96sFAmP/EKYFAwAAAAAACgkQaiMi+MCr96uy Ewf+KdSL4o7q15TCkTJrjKgaOeYTUqslnTLe2vMscQDOeZp6wS4oczWVCqSVnbFa2adRv5ba8gFg eesRtLp3kTVTdceasR1W/HewNJfTmKtY8rPE+KN8DR3ujmSmKDy3Oj7pClpVSVcZA/6psS+LbndN kc2a6ZTaM0PjPHw1Zxo1QSzM0D5yZAmjSb2Ql+8QHcUoA1c5U4i+IBb2M/D6e3pgVvca9sDwSvEh UxkDibc5xQNXaZDsVQSZe54PQHNlo78EpXGBGgL1esy95H+ePyxhk+Ykr9L/KWIE+6uaGKD/dSzX 8biOlQYydlmt4EUrZIqefKKHAlBGg8CPSrUmsT22WA== =Fqmm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------fus0yuTwshkg0CLTDm4ue8M7--