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In > particular, it has more dependencies and a larger footprint: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > $ guix size zile | tail -1 # before > total: 85.7 MiB > $ ./pre-inst-env guix size zile | tail -1 # after > total: 126.2 MiB > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > Should we provide another Emacs clone in the installation image and in > ‘%base-packages’? > > ‘zile-on-guile’ is tempting but currently unmaintained. ‘mg’ could work too. > > Thoughts? > > Ludo’. > I like mg. It's basically my vi/nano when I do sysadmin-ish work. One of the first things I install on a server I'll be working on. Starts up instantly, supports multiple buffers, regexp search, multiple panes (C-x 2), and a few other nifty Emacs things, even a tiny Dired-like mode. Yet it's absolutely tiny at 200K with a single binary. Obviously no comparison to the real beast that is Emacs. :-) Never used Zile so can't say how it compares. -- Taylan