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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=b8p7pFiY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.71 X-TUID: FGepPXJ3hNhk On 26.10.2020 11:41, zimoun wrote: > > The main pitfall is not the Dockerfile per se but the classical > distribution it often implies. Well, this video is explaining better > than my words. :-) > > https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/gnu_guix_new_approach_to_software_distribution Great video! I love the way Ludo explains things. > I do not know Nix. The killer features I cannot work without now are: > > - time-machine > - environment (alone, with --pure or --container) > - pack -f docker > - repl I think pack -f docker is going to be the "killer feature" in this case. Well, the following doesn't seem so complicated either actually: https://nix.dev/tutorials/building-and-running-docker-images.html But I really like how 'guix pack' can generate a tarball just as well, which could be deployed and tested anywhere... I'll need to make a few more comparisons. >> TL;DR: sell Guix (over Nix) to someone who doesn't care about GNU or >> Scheme? > > For reference, Pierre started this [1] and I do not remember the end > of the story. IMHO, the nice move is to write down typical use > cases/scenarii that Guix solves and then the audience can pick the one > they are interested in or the one that talks to them as an entry > point. Therefore, to convince my co-workers, I pick our typical > workflow, show how it works (or would work) with Guix, pointing out > what are the current drawbacks of the current workflow and how Guix > improves the situation or sometimes only one specific part of the > workflow. (My co-workers are biologists so they do not care much > about the computational tools since the one who is doing. ;-)) > > 1: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2020-01/msg00002.html That sounds like a sensible approach, thanks for the suggestion! - Taylan