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I hope the Guix >> maintainers are more reasonable than that. :-) > Sorry, but tracking down the issue you submitted towards the > contributor covenant, it appears to me that you are the misguided one. > The CoC already prohibits discrimination based on gender identity, > sexual identity and sexual orientation. If you identify your gender as > your sex, whatever that might be, you are thereby already protected. > > The wording you chose (intentionally or otherwise) tries to invalidate > other people's gender identity and thus violates the CoC. > > Cheers I had really hoped this would be an uncontroversial suggestion... It might be useful to provide a link in case others want to take a look at the debate as well: https://github.com/EthicalSource/contributor_covenant/pull/548 I've said everything there I'd say now if I were to argue back, and I really don't want to argue about this on a Guix ML anyway, so I'll leave it to the maintainers to decide what to do. Just one remark for them: most women I know would think twice before spending time trying to get into a community whose rules intentionally don't acknowledge sex-based discrimination. -- Taylan