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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617281071; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=eMIa36HHBdnGwfRWzp228iE4v8COV0Q+Wz1tBHJVDmY=; b=WgwtruwjleCcnz+UA+PRR8tZ0PWW4a3sgbigYxlKPN0ui5lmtaKKAGUlzX72R01ZwMbIMo oUOdLvdzru5+8Esv5Yds69GJyxSuvyH+LO3zLvi3geMyh0zi3XuGCXQ3tg0ufKEdmPSn/f faLw8828G5gfxWX+U8FcvgltgPx4grU0bS33BuGDawVq6bVmiFamE3gRP9me1uPVmqpqId BioXYRSzJLJh/p8tTKvWNygAde+T2vEI6K3/qPmEYv2x+xhOI4hF6Iueoi2KG0tzsSOF69 l+4UGMXeKxiITRoBOY0Z63MnrdaA9M0qImgMOUZE4WzGgCLYbmxYtYAwA/9MCw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617281071; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Za/IKmbi6H9CvscbYGKvALTDxSXn0oLLTfKpqq0n0vjYoVQX15FZ1gMs+SpCpwF4UCwCAB wmfOSCcBqKmVdCGquqlkFeX4I+a6sX0g4xZ0lFqXK+NT7kJYQyZ3TFYIJWXfH21/FERgzz AuJ+IGdwM5ugbw/5vm5plg4DJpjTr8neb6v94or4ppUuEVDQaZRoTYtfop31gs2/5CrMKJ 2FRWUjAYCCsQiPr76f7W3/zg6x0OAKs5y17ud2oOdyHhFAwNjHf9VDLp1Kd0XCoWYFoAYC h+O8Kq/SWF07JFvd6Y/zaEyBz61nAhFTAc7pebLLyf2MMhpDns1qtuyIv15reA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=aAShdVSS; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.23 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=aAShdVSS; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F0DC71F4A6 X-Spam-Score: -5.23 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: bUE2j3F4Smvv --=-vHA/6dJQ44GIE3aRUgMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ludo, On Wed, 2021-03-31 at 23:29 +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > It=E2=80=99s unacceptable to call someone =E2=80=9Cobsessed=E2=80=9D just= because you > disagree > and calling Simon=E2=80=99s comments =E2=80=9Charassment=E2=80=9D is equa= lly inappropriate. I really do feel harassed by their comments, it's not just because I disagree, it's that I feel they have been following me around in several of my contributions repeating the same issues, I have heard their criticism and I do disagree but I don't feel like bringing it up over and over and over following me around is a great thing to do at all! I did not try to go and yell all around after for example 'guix pull' was broken after some changes to substitutes handling that were pushed for example. I just trust people to do the best. I know people want the best for GNU Guix. I also want the best for GNU Guix. I am not trying to somehow deliberately break GNU Guix. > We=E2=80=99re all passionate about the project, and each one of us looks = at > it > from a different angle. >=20 > You=E2=80=99re new to the project. I think we=E2=80=99re all glad you jo= ined; that > has > already boosted security work and the POWER9 port. But we also have > expectations: that you follow written rules (the code of conduct, the > =E2=80=9CCommit Access=E2=80=9D section of the manual), and the unwritten= rule that, > as > a newcomer, you would humbly listen to suggestions made by more > experienced contributors. I try to listen, and I think I have listened to criticism from many different people. I think we've reached a point where I could not listen anymore from Zimoun because I felt we were going in circles. There's different opinions from different places it seems, where some people agree with my way of doing and some others do not, and I felt like I had more approval from other people and that while Zimoun's criticism has been heard I have not acted upon all of their criticism. Is it possible to do that? > The unresolved issues Simon points out are not just technical > problems; > they=E2=80=99re a hindrance to our cooperation and to our well-being as a > group. > It=E2=80=99s completely okay to make mistakes, but it=E2=80=99s not okay = to break the > community rules and to dismiss the opinion of others as unimportant. I do not dismiss other's opinion as not important, I disagree, what do you want me to do? We have different way of doing things, if I do them=20 I do them my way, if they do them they do it their way, what else can we do here? >=20 > Please adjust accordingly. I don't feel like that's entirely fair but I always strive to self- improve. > Thanks, > Ludo=E2=80=99. 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