From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id aDKXCtu0rGIWogAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:07:39 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id eLVeCtu0rGIHNQAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:07:39 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCFC72531C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o2FRZ-0001lK-F5 for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 13:07:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o2FR3-0001Rg-3N for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 13:07:05 -0400 Received: from baptiste.telenet-ops.be ([2a02:1800:120:4::f00:13]:36528) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o2FQz-00030E-VU for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 13:07:04 -0400 Received: from ptr-bvsjgyhxw7psv60dyze.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be ([IPv6:2a02:1811:8c09:9d00:3c5f:2eff:feb0:ba5a]) by baptiste.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id kH6v2700G4UW6Th01H6v42; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:06:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FSDG-compatibility of APSL-2.0 From: Maxime Devos To: Liliana Marie Prikler , zimoun , Philip McGrath , Guix Devel Cc: "(" Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:06:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <11010317.nUPlyArG6x@avalon> <87zgiby7yt.fsf@gmail.com> <7b05425306ead2c333e7671a7c32b4164e4b6a50.camel@telenet.be> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uILD8WFvd0zqxQf4xWCk" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.3-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telenet.be; s=r22; t=1655485615; bh=KWusRCadhVGG7i24R7xkTj0y18g0OV6kTTFEeqm/bmc=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=djbAfcOJaDYvOcfBt2UxR1L4K4zKQa8qEQLLui1bWJ9AqDKTZG7H1DSKgqcI6Qfya 7yIOAl0Gwc/+rbgfPovlBjVOaKUCVrLtJVzR/jn+KWL1OtoGjQTpOFs1KCeKDFyjRl MLnb75H8FQlPIUGUv6oFUn3aylBekMmqEN5PJZaG3Y2YeSAKlirJHFU0tWOtlzmWXh VJmehArVH3fTvB3aSlqpRuZ/IOrx2AnKXRSw9sYtqukj6qLxghWftoHoX2z1+U9Iba aRjkCXHnDLrhezskQUQeQ8TRPR8UdhWbHM4jwjDC5qjhYlGcjIS0kUY9ubvkljALd6 3w8PImzR5W+qw== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:1800:120:4::f00:13; envelope-from=maximedevos@telenet.be; helo=baptiste.telenet-ops.be X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655485659; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=KWusRCadhVGG7i24R7xkTj0y18g0OV6kTTFEeqm/bmc=; b=TZ58fpuovQWN43B2Fj6kJvz/DkqQWQJzEeAtx9UMH9o6Yw5rM9VhPdJnXHC0fcUZTSV13T S/rwGWWnyurGlQmdf6MAjhIpzSB+beaHKoIOxoBKvFE2EoAwc0KnbWz23AY7+T9WJ17yQ7 b5YzrzDNKrLOWqozuDGA0wBTZyzn9yaRnBtdG2tHsRZfdeB6dLOmhG5Jam7CmK3Yw/rPMf FRoByivkyJ2fFqIPSkxgNuUZZW2U9QkAf7KGwqclMDa4yZ0ws8ubZjL6NuO9mraXV4F5MN hcE3wZFquDJd06DVzzLdfLSN6RyGpbDrSL0bv8Ca9Xi0abfeAotthutop/Ljyw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655485659; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SzJRmZl25KZ9HS9JPR+frXL7TAZuc+4Yn/jImmPEorFuMUy6YxZMe0WVdcV/UcvO0rI2uF THcw/4iGDi/XAPuyZZ0W5d76rvpdneXQ1ZMygBNaLBzUm812yL83YFSdhHI27wd1JMxaEL 73Y/BQ7nU1fzm+5aI2/2+V+Pk5aa0tFohWmk3ylO7rVIOwychqxKz6DQxC4d24ryP4v7bf XcqkB5Af7Ywv4p1SK4PAbiyNWjwCuEOFypVu0Y+fQ20glPobWoptDjPvBwa+ShdyLh84qQ tOIvhv6uxoTuaiozm53AbjiFlOFSEGyxZBBu7H/c2Pal6lNVMwik1fec7PUVZw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=djbAfcOJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.89 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=djbAfcOJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CCFC72531C X-Spam-Score: -6.89 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: wFHD4U8oJgTu --=-uILD8WFvd0zqxQf4xWCk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op vr 17-06-2022 om 12:00 [+0200]: > Am Freitag, dem 17.06.2022 um 11:39 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos: > > The clause is also rather extra-territorial: what if $local_country > > reforms copyright to make all sofware free, if we accepted =E2=80=98go = to > > this jurisdiction clauses=E2=80=99, then opponents could effectively bl= ock > > the legally-enforced freeing of software by adding such a clause. > No, they can't.=C2=A0 If $local_country makes all software free, such a > clause would likely be illegal in $local_country and thus unenforcible. > If Apple did try to sue a $local_country citizen, $local_country could > sue Apple for breaking $local_country law. It's unenforcable in $local_country, yes, but the due to the =E2=80=98Dispu= te Resolution clause=E2=80=99, the sueing happens in California, not $local_country, which is the potential issue I wanted to highlight.=20 Though possibly ... > While this clause exists, it might be unenforcible in practice.=20 > Suppose you did violate the APSL, for instance, by linking to GPL > code. > > If you are already in California, [...], but if you don't and simply > decide to not heed their call, Apple needs to appeal to international > law enforcement or your country in particular, whichever is easier.=20 > I doubt that this will make any difference in the US [...], but if > they have to cross either ocean, things become more difficult. ... yes, but I wouldn't know whether it will be to difficult or not for Apple and whether $local_country would agree/disagree, so I'm inclined to assume the worst for safety, unless informed by a reliable expert. 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