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From: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
To: Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>,
	zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	Philip McGrath <philip@philipmcgrath.com>,
	Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: "(" <paren@disroot.org>
Subject: Re: FSDG-compatibility of APSL-2.0
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:06:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <be6bd86722ceb388a2eb81cd0e68bb28ba850a73.camel@telenet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e1097b46b9adad80205c661fe636bc4335ad98e6.camel@gmail.com>

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Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op vr 17-06-2022 om 12:00 [+0200]:
> Am Freitag, dem 17.06.2022 um 11:39 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> > The clause is also rather extra-territorial: what if $local_country
> > reforms copyright to make all sofware free, if we accepted ‘go to
> > this jurisdiction clauses’, then opponents could effectively block
> > the legally-enforced freeing of software by adding such a clause.
> No, they can't.  If $local_country makes all software free, such a
> clause would likely be illegal in $local_country and thus unenforcible.
> If Apple did try to sue a $local_country citizen, $local_country could
> sue Apple for breaking $local_country law.

It's unenforcable in $local_country, yes, but the due to the ‘Dispute
Resolution clause’, the sueing happens in California, not
$local_country, which is the potential issue I wanted to highlight. 
Though possibly ...

> While this clause exists, it might be unenforcible in practice. 
> Suppose you did violate the APSL, for instance, by linking to GPL
> code.
>
> If you are already in California, [...], but if you don't and simply
> decide to not heed their call, Apple needs to appeal to international
> law enforcement or your country in particular, whichever is easier. 
> I doubt that this will make any difference in the US [...], but if
> they have to cross either ocean, things become more difficult.

... yes, but I wouldn't know whether it will be to difficult or not for
Apple and whether $local_country would agree/disagree, so I'm inclined
to assume the worst for safety, unless informed by a reliable expert.

Greetings,
Maxime.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-17 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-16  6:21 FSDG-compatibility of APSL-2.0 Philip McGrath
2022-06-16  7:43 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-06-16 22:02   ` Philip McGrath
2022-06-17  9:06     ` zimoun
2022-06-17  9:39       ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-17 10:00         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-06-17 17:06           ` Maxime Devos [this message]
2022-06-17 20:11             ` Felix Lechner
2022-06-17 21:14               ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-17 14:37         ` zimoun
2022-06-17 15:52           ` Philip McGrath
2022-06-17  9:40       ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-17 17:11 ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-17 17:13 ` Maxime Devos

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