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From: "Jonathan Frederickson" <jonathan@terracrypt.net>
To: "Felix Lechner" <felix.lechner@lease-up.com>,
	"Sergio Pastor Pérez" <sergio.pastorperez@outlook.es>,
	"Marek Paśnikowski" <marek@marekpasnikowski.pl>,
	"Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Sustainable funding and maintenance for our infrastructure
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 19:15:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b82e2256-ecb4-422a-9520-c5a1ecf496cc@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o75vb5p9.fsf@lease-up.com>

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On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Felix Lechner wrote:
> The serving someone else's substitutes could also arise more innocently,
> for example via a technical misconfiguration or because of an incentive
> system that rewards the contribution of substitutes.

Yes, indeed. And you may very well want such an incentive system, because having many people distribute substitutes in a P2P system is a natural way for people to contribute their own bandwidth.

> Is it possible for someone to reliably attest that they individually
> built a reproducible work product?  I believe the needed variation in
> inputs, like a hash, is incompatible with the goal of reproducability.

I think it's possible if the signature is detached from the reproducible work product to be signed. For example, it's like the difference between an embedded and detached signature of a file signed by GPG. Distributing a detached signature alongside a file doesn't change the hash of the file that's been signed.

Of course, you may not have built the build inputs yourself either - but those can be authenticated separately. (Recursion!)

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-24 23:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-02 14:24 Sustainable funding and maintenance for our infrastructure Ludovic Courtès
2024-07-03  1:13 ` indieterminacy
2024-07-04 16:37 ` Simon Tournier
2024-07-08 12:02   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-07-09 14:49     ` Simon Tournier
2024-07-11  9:23       ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-07-08 15:46 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2024-07-08 18:28   ` Vincent Legoll
2024-07-09  9:47     ` Tomas Volf
2024-07-11 10:33       ` Andreas Enge
2024-07-11 20:44         ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-07-11  9:38   ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-07-12 10:44     ` Simon Tournier
2024-07-21 12:52       ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-07-08 16:27 ` Efraim Flashner
2024-07-08 17:21   ` Enrico Schwass
2024-07-11 10:48     ` Andreas Enge
2024-07-11  9:28   ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-08-01 22:11 ` Marek Paśnikowski
2024-08-13  2:53   ` Jonathan Frederickson
2024-08-13 16:23     ` Sergio Pastor Pérez
2024-08-13 23:38       ` Jonathan Frederickson
2024-08-14 13:21         ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-08-24 23:15           ` Jonathan Frederickson [this message]
2024-08-21 22:07         ` P2P Guix package building and distribution Christine Lemmer-Webber
2024-08-22  9:05           ` Andreas Enge
2024-08-22 21:57             ` Samuel Christie via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
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2024-07-02 14:26 Sustainable funding and maintenance for our infrastructure Ludovic Courtès

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